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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 February 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Redress Scheme

Meeting date: 12 January 2023

Oliver Mundell

Again, that is helpful information. We are dealing with quite a small number—12—and the feedback I have had from one individual is that they feel that, somehow, if a person goes through the review process they could be given more help to gather more information. Some of the people who have received an increased payment offer have spent more time looking at their application, and doing that has brought new information to light. I know that the system is under pressure, which is why I ask.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Redress Scheme

Meeting date: 12 January 2023

Oliver Mundell

I recognise up front your personal commitment to getting the scheme through in the previous session of the Parliament, and I know that there was some time pressure with regard to ensuring that that work did not go to waste. However, on some of the issues around the delays and the challenges of processing the applications, I feel that it is right to press you on the modelling and how we modelled that.

10:30  

Today, you have mentioned three factors involved in the delays, and I think that there is a fourth factor, for which, as a Parliament, we are collectively responsible, which is expectation management. Survivors thought, with regard to these applications and the principles that we set out, that things might move a bit quicker than they have. We must always be cautious about that, but, with regard to the modelling, where did the idea that people would take longer to put in their applications come from? We have looked at comparator schemes elsewhere as part of drawing up the legislation, so how did we get that modelling wrong?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Redress Scheme

Meeting date: 12 January 2023

Oliver Mundell

It is about 8 per cent of people.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Redress Scheme

Meeting date: 12 January 2023

Oliver Mundell

It is about one in 12.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Redress Scheme

Meeting date: 12 January 2023

Oliver Mundell

I am probably testing the committee’s patience, but this issue is important to me.

I want to follow on from Stephanie Callaghan’s question, as I have come across the same issue with people accessing statements and reports. I understand the sensitivity around that, and I fully appreciate the answer that you gave, but would it be fair to say that, when the bill was passed, it was not the Government’s expectation that the restriction order would be in place?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Oliver Mundell

It could be a promotion.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Oliver Mundell

On your previous comments, what vested interests do you think that the Faculty of Advocates and the Equality and Human Rights Commission have in raising concerns about the appropriateness of a framework bill?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Oliver Mundell

I suggested to you in my previous question that the faculty has concerns about the appropriateness of the bill as the mechanism for bringing matters forward and you replied that some of the organisations that have been critical of the bill have vested interests. Are you saying that you were not referring to the evidence of the faculty or the Equality and Human Rights Commission?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Oliver Mundell

Have you read those organisations’ submissions?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Oliver Mundell

That is helpful. It has always been my understanding that, although parliamentarians can speak to ministers, raise points and do other things to impact the wording of regulations, they have no power to change what regulations say. That is a fundamental concern. That differs from primary legislation, where any member of the Parliament can propose changes to the wording of a bill.

That leads me to a final question. MSPs can only amend what is in the bill. If we have less information in the bill, there is less opportunity to amend the wording, which dictates the meaning of the legislation. Is that correct, minister?