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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023-24”

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Jamie Greene

Data is key.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023-24”

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Jamie Greene

That is a very long answer that has not answered my question. You are using completely different language from that in the Audit Scotland report, but I can only use the language that the Auditor General has used. I appreciate that you are explaining the question.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023-24”

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Jamie Greene

That is really helpful.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023-24”

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Jamie Greene

I will interrupt you in the interests of time—it has been a long session already. My questions are about economic performance differentials in Scotland. I am hearing that the economy in London is different from that in Edinburgh. We understand and accept that. We understand that the block grant adjustments alter the amount of money that the Scottish Government gets and that different regions of the UK will have different economic activities. However, I am trying to understand the bigger picture.

Are there issues? Is there, as the Audit Scotland report highlighted, an underwhelming economic performance in Scotland relative to that in the rest of the UK, and does that affect how much money the Scottish Government has to spend? That is the underlying point that I made in the original question. It is not a trick question; I am just using the data that is in front of me.

Let us look at this financial year. The SFC has done some work on the 2025-26 forecast. It estimates that £1.676 billion in additional revenue will be generated through tax divergence in Scotland. That is great and I am sure that the Government will say that it is bringing in extra money. However, the SFC forecasts that it will result in only a net £837 million in cash to the Scottish Government, so that is about half.

Scottish taxpayers are paying more in tax but that is not generating the same amounts of money for the Government to spend on public services as we all want it to do. Is that because of relative economic performance differences between Scotland and the rest of the UK?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023-24”

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Jamie Greene

Is it not a source of concern to you that 80 per cent of the potential tax take that could be achieved by having a different tax policy in Scotland is being lost to behavioural changes? You mentioned some of them—tax planning and early retirement—

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023-24”

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Jamie Greene

That is good. You mentioned the Fraser of Allander Institute, which does some good independent analysis. I got the impression that the research that you have done on tax divergence seemed to demonstrate that it is having no, or very little, effect on behaviours. Is that the Government’s position?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023-24”

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Jamie Greene

Good morning. I will start by looking at an area of the report that we have not covered, which is Scotland’s overall economic performance relative to that in the rest of the United Kingdom. For your information, that sits on pages 19 to 23 of the AGS report.

I will start with a question for the Scottish Government. Perhaps you can talk me through exhibit 3, which is the table on page 20. According to the Auditor General, between 2017 and 2023, the cumulative additional tax paid by Scottish taxpayers due to tax policy differences was £3.36 billion. The net increase to the Scottish budget is displayed not far away from that figure, and it is only £629 million. Why is that the case?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023-24”

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Jamie Greene

What do you mean by “behaviours”? I am just getting my head around that. It is not a trick question, by the way; I am just trying to understand the table.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023-24”

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Jamie Greene

That is interesting. Does that not demonstrate, though, that the potential tax income that could have been achieved through divergence is £3.367 billion? That is what the table is sort of saying; it is not saying what was actually paid but what the maximum potential was. The bottom line is that we actually get £0.6 billion in extra revenue from the divergence, which is only 20 per cent of the overall £3.3 billion. I am trying to get my head around where the 80 per cent loss is happening.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023-24”

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Jamie Greene

Just to be clear, I am not talking about a race to the bottom. I do not want other parts of the UK to perform poorly relative to Scotland just so that we can say we are doing better. I am sure that we all want it to be true that every extra penny that is spent on additional taxes in Scotland creates more opportunity for the Scottish Government to spend money on public services. Surely that has to be a shared ambition.

What we are trying to unearth through these sessions is what is causing that difference. What percentage of every pound of additional tax that is spent achieves a net benefit to the Government? We are trying to unearth some of that.

For example, if we compare Scottish gross domestic product per capita to that in the rest of the UK, we can see that it was consistently lower for a long period of time. Levels of economic inactivity in the working-age population have been higher in Scotland than in other parts of the UK, and the SFC’s analysis from last year shows that Scotland’s working-age population is growing more slowly than that in the rest of the UK. There are therefore a number of factors. You have picked out a couple in which there have been some improvements and I am happy to hear that, but there are other areas in which there are major factors that mean that we are not achieving the sort of economic performance that we need to make sure that all that tax money comes back to the Scottish Government.