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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 September 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Jamie Greene

Does the Government have any override function, in terms of decisions that are made?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Jamie Greene

Right.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Jamie Greene

Yes. Specifically on that, although the letter from the SPF is a matter of public record, it is worth saying on the record that the SPF feedback on section 37 of the constitution states:

“There seems to be scope for either of the Sides to prevent such a matter going to arbitration or for the Chairperson to decide not to refer a matter to arbitration and this could lead to a deadlock.”

On section 42, the SPF states:

“It is hard to envisage the Board failing to make recommendations based on an arbitration award. It seems to open the door for either Side to delay or block a PNB agreement based on an arbitration award and this would be highly unsatisfactory.”

I guess that I am looking for feedback on that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Jamie Greene

Thank you for that clarity.

Finally, what role would the Scottish ministers play in any of these proceedings?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Jamie Greene

You supply the resource budget, so you have to sign off the cheque.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Jamie Greene

Good morning, cabinet secretary and other guests.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Jamie Greene

I apologise if I have not explained myself properly. I just want to ensure that the very specific comments that the SPF has made will be taken into account by the PNBS as it finalises the wording of the constitution.

10:15  

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Jamie Greene

Yes, it would. In doing so, perhaps the officials could refer to the issues that the SPF has raised. It has clearly pre-empted scenarios that might be problematic and that it feels need to be addressed to avoid any future deadlock.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Jamie Greene

You are right. The SPF requests the following wording:

“Sides may nominate persons who are not”

necessarily

“representatives to serve on subcommittees and working groups with the permission of the”

chair. I presume that that permission will be carried forward in the new set-up.

This is important, given that, in the past year or so, we have seen disagreements over pay settlements and, as the cabinet secretary has said, the police cannot take the same type of strike action that other public services have taken or have threatened to take. However, they have taken industrial action of a different type, which has clearly had an effect on their ability to carry out certain functions. As we have already seen, they have, for example, resorted to principal statutory duties, withdrawn good will and so on.

Given the knowledge that there is a history of disagreement over pay, is the new scenario more or less likely to produce agreement? Will there be any alterations to the action that the police can or cannot take in the event of a dispute or, indeed, deadlock?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Jamie Greene

It was more in relation to somebody, for example, commuting from their temporary place of residence to the conference centre and something happening in that environment, whereby they could argue that they had immunity. However, that is fine.

The other question is more general. What discussions has the Scottish or UK Government had with Police Scotland about policing the event? Has there been any analysis of the resourcing levels that will be required, or has there been a finger in the air on the financial cost? That is not an issue as such, but it is important for the committee to keep a watching eye on such things.