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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

That says to me that the bigger issue is other forms of transport, which are emitting more. What is being done to reduce those emissions?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

How do we balance that with the risk of people perceiving those measures as plugging big holes in council finances, albeit with the right intention? Environmental intentions would be seen as laudable and would garner cross-party support. However, is there a concern that, if the perception is that the money raised from those so-called punitive measures is not ring fenced and is not reinvested in active or sustainable travel or in other improvements to roads or public services, the additional measures that big cities are asking for will raise huge amounts of money that will go into the black hole of local government?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

That is a helpful tone. What do you mean by unnecessary?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

That is very helpful. What engagement have you had with the new UK Government about potential capital funding for transport infrastructure projects in Scotland? What has the response been to any requests?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

I know that she has a sore throat.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

I know that, so I will try to spread my questions across the panel. I do have quite a lot of ground to cover, though, and I am afraid that you are first up, cabinet secretary.

I want to take you right back to the beginning of the session, when the convener asked whether you accept not just the report’s recommendations but its content and findings. Turning to paragraph 1 on page 3, which sets out the first of the key messages, I think that the first two sentences are fair in talking about transport as a source of greenhouse gas emissions and the “ambitious” nature of the target in the first place. Just for the record, is there anything else in that paragraph that you agree with? That was very unclear from your first answer. Do you agree with the rest of that paragraph?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

I understand that things have been challenging, and I am not particularly asking you to get into direct conflict with the Auditor General, but he has stated in black and white at the opening of this report, which is the subject of today’s session, some very clear criticisms of the Scottish Government. I guess that that is what we are looking at.

Obviously, the target is going to be revised. I do not want to say that it is going to be ditched—indeed, you can use whatever language you prefer—but, clearly, the 20 per cent target will no longer exist at some point this year. What are the reasons for changing it? I guess that this is a bit of a multiple-choice question. Is the target being changed because you were not going to meet it and it is therefore easier for it not to exist, which would make for a better news story? Is it because the target was the wrong one in the first place? Is it because the metrics that were being used were incorrect or not appropriate? Is it because you do not need to meet the target, because you are going to hit other emissions reduction targets instead? Or is it none of the above?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

Why is there no data for 2023 or 2024?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

Glasgow and Edinburgh are the two most inhabited council areas and are also, I presume, the source of a great deal of the emissions. Is focusing on those cities the correct approach, or is it the case that everyone has to carry their share of the burden? I suspect that the approach that Glasgow and Edinburgh want to take will be different from the approach that places such as the Borders, Aberdeen, the Highlands and Inverclyde want to take. Everyone has different needs in those various demographic environments. How do we marry that up?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

It absolutely is.