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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 September 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

Did your directorate do any modelling of what the potential financial impact on the public purse might be? It is easy to say that we should wait and see what it costs, but that is the mop-up after. Should that work not have been done before the transfer?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

Finally, I guess that what matters is outcomes. The prison is not a hotel; the issue is not just about turnover and the number of people who come through it and how much it costs to run it. What analysis has been done of what benefits may be reaped from the prison being under the control of the SPS rather than Serco? For example, what is the staff to prisoner ratio before and after the changeover? What do the reoffending rates look like? What are the rehabilitation rates? What do the drug and contraband figures look like at HMP Kilmarnock versus the average for the rest of the estate? It would be useful to see those sorts of metrics and that analysis. Have you done any of that work?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

Thanks for the update. I will come back in later with some PFI questions.

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

That gets to the nub of my question. When times are good and there is money in the bank, the Government can easily decide that, because it has the cash, it would rather fund this stuff directly either through Government borrowing or through capital that it has in reserve and that it would want to try to avoid or to minimise private investment where possible because of the repayments, interest and other costs associated with it, and that is not the direction of travel that it wants to take.

However, as you have just outlined, we are now in very different times. Constraints on capital investment mean that there is less money to go around. In that scenario, if, for example, I knocked on your door tomorrow and said, “I am happy to build a replacement for HMP Greenock or HMP Dumfries”—both of which are in desperate need of replacement—would the door be open to the models out there and could a deal be done, or is it just simply a case of the Government wanting to spend only what it has?

Public Audit Committee

Scottish Government Strategic Commercial Assets Division

Meeting date: 30 May 2024

Jamie Greene

I want to move on to the future of Ferguson Marine. It is now publicly owned and therefore fully funded by the taxpayer. With regard to the questions that have been posed about the small vessel replacement, you say that that is a decision for the transport secretary, but are your teams issuing any warnings about subsidy control or state aid issues that might prohibit the Government’s ability to directly award future vessel procurement to Ferguson Marine—or is that simply not an issue and it is a wider decision about who is best placed to manufacture the vessels?

Public Audit Committee

Scottish Government Strategic Commercial Assets Division

Meeting date: 30 May 2024

Jamie Greene

The problem that I have is that it is almost eight years to the day since I sat in a committee room three floors up from the one that we are in now with a Government minister in front of me and asked what their exit strategy for Prestwick airport was. What faith can we have that you guys are the ones who will deliver the exit strategies for Ferguson and Prestwick, given that there seems to be a lack of progress on both?

Public Audit Committee

Scottish Government Strategic Commercial Assets Division

Meeting date: 30 May 2024

Jamie Greene

Are you aware of any other potential business opportunities for the yard?

Public Audit Committee

Scottish Government Strategic Commercial Assets Division

Meeting date: 30 May 2024

Jamie Greene

Did Andrew Miller tell you the reasons?

Public Audit Committee

Scottish Government Strategic Commercial Assets Division

Meeting date: 30 May 2024

Jamie Greene

Are there any other live potential business investments that the Government is considering that you are advising it on?

Public Audit Committee

Scottish Government Strategic Commercial Assets Division

Meeting date: 30 May 2024

Jamie Greene

Okay. Thanks, convener.