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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 September 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

I will shrink my questions into two. Mr Rennick, you will be aware of the constraints on the Government’s capital investment. A number of infrastructure projects have been paused and there will be no investment in them. Much of that decision will have direct consequences for your portfolio and new schools and prisons, for example. Other portfolios across the health sector, housing and so on will feel the same.

In the scenario in which the Government is saying that it does not have the cash to build this stuff up front, is there now an expectation that a shift to a different financing model will be inevitable? In other words, the private sector will stump up the cash up front and the Government will simply pay them back over a very long period of time. I appreciate that might not be the political thing to do in terms of the ministerial direction of travel, but from a value for money point of view, should that be considered?

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Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

Just to get this right, there are people who had body-worn cameras but who no longer have them. What has been the feedback from the officers about that? Are they happy about that removal or are they upset about it? Do they feel less safe?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

My questions are slightly different, convener, so if Graham Simpson wants to go first, that is fine.

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

There is no right or wrong answer.

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

You have more prisoners and fewer staff. That does not sound like a good mix.

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

I am using that as example of new investment, new money, new build and the model that might accompany that scenario.

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

Natural termination is the direction of travel, at least in your directorate?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

My first question is to Teresa Medhurst. I appreciate that you may not want to answer this, but I will give it a try anyway. Did you want to take ownership of HMP Kilmarnock?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

Mr Rennick, you are next, I am afraid. Back in 2022, when I sat on the Justice Committee, I asked a similar question about the difference between privately run prisons and Government-run ones, and the response from His Majesty’s chief inspector of prisons response was that HMP Kilmarnock

“is the cheapest prison in Scotland”—[Official Report, Justice Committee, 9 November 2022; c 8.]

to run. My initial question is: was the decision to move the prison into public ownership based on value for money or was it solely a policy decision?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

As the Public Audit Committee, we obviously have an interest in money, and I am still struggling to get my head around any comparison. I am yet to see, on paper anyway, what the prison cost to run in an average year under Serco and what it will cost to run under SPS. We do not have that comparison, which I think is unfortunate.

What we know about the figures is that the average cost per prisoner is around £52,000 a year under Serco’s direction and management. Can you tell me what that number will look like under the SPS? Is it higher or lower?