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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Jamie Greene

You said that there is more that “we” need to do—who is the “we”? If we work on the assumption that teachers and pupil support assistants are working flat out and are doing their very best—they are at capacity, in the sense that there is nothing more that they could do to help to get it right for every child—where does the gap lie? Where is the missing link?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Jamie Greene

Convener, I am sure that a good follow-up to this evidence session would be to hear from teaching unions in response to some of the evidence that we have heard. Perhaps we could think about that.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Jamie Greene

So, a small proportion of schools have a separate, dedicated provision, rather than mainstreaming additional support for learning assistance.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Jamie Greene

Does every secondary school in Scotland have someone who supports children with their mental health? Is there a qualified, dedicated mental health support contact—not a teacher—in every secondary school in Scotland?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Jamie Greene

That is very helpful. Laura, did you want to come in?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Jamie Greene

Yes. The Morgan review picked up on that—it said that other vocational destinations should be seen as positive outcomes as well when measuring like for like. That is a very good point.

Mr Rennick, your department covers education and justice, I believe.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Jamie Greene

You should try it.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Jamie Greene

There is access.

We are very short on time. My last question is on page 3 of the Audit Scotland briefing, which gives a statistic for dedicated ASL provision. It is quite a low statistic, which is why I am asking about it. It says that 20 per cent of all schools—about 460—have “dedicated” ASL provision, to use the terminology of the briefing. However, that seems a very low number of schools when, presumably, the need for ASL is prevalent in all schools. Talk me through that.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Jamie Greene

The one area that we do not really have time to address, but which deserves more time, is how we support teachers and schools to deliver on this agenda. We are very short on time, but I will ask Mr Rennick a question. In 2021, the Scottish Government made an explicit and overt commitment to increase the number of teachers by 3,500 by the end of this parliamentary session, and, in particular, the number of pupil support assistants by 500. Could you give us a progress update on that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Jamie Greene

Thank you for raising the Hayward review.

All three reviews—the Morgan, the Muir and the Hayward reviews—are helpful, but, next month, it will be five years since the Morgan review was published. There is therefore a sense of frustration that only 53 of the 76 recommendations have been implemented. It is taking a long time. The fact that we have also known that the problem has been on the increase for a long time has perhaps driven some of the lines of questioning this morning.