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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Jamie Greene

Yes, but you could summarise the options that were open to you, so that we can get to how you came to the decision that you made.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Jamie Greene

I am sorry, but I will stop you there for a second, because there is a lot in this. Did the Scottish Government approve the business case or not?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Jamie Greene

So the section 22 report was the trigger for you to have concerns about culture and behaviour at WICS. Did nothing that happened before that raise any red flags?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Jamie Greene

You are welcome to push back on the cabinet secretary’s comments, but do you accept her comments and agree that you failed to follow due process?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Jamie Greene

Ms Quinn, are you satisfied with that response?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Jamie Greene

Thank you for that update. In the interests of time, my final question is to the Scottish Government. Responsibility for public bodies and the oversight of the boards that oversee the public bodies is a matter for the sponsor division, the director general of those directorates and, ultimately, ministers and cabinet secretaries. It sounds like there has been a catalogue and a litany of extreme failures of fiscal governance across a taxpayer-funded body. When did the Scottish Government think that things were going wrong at WICS? When did it get an idea that there were issues? Was it solely the work of Audit Scotland that raised those flags?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Jamie Greene

Let us go through this in a logical order. That is important, because I am trying to get to the nub of the decision making. After coming to that conclusion, what happened next? Did you seek approval from the Scottish Government, in accordance with the Scottish public finance manual?

Public Audit Committee

Tackling Digital Exclusion

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Jamie Greene

Good morning to you, Auditor General, and your colleagues. I will start with a question that is less about the specific content of the report and more about the overarching theme that you want us to take away from it.

On the one hand, I am getting the impression that, as the committee often hears with such reports, we are pushing the Government to go further and faster on public service reform. It is said that too many public services still involve clunky, physical, paper-based systems that are not digitised and not modern in ways that they could and should be. On the other hand, though, we seem to be beating the Government with a stick for moving too fast and leaving people behind.

I am therefore not quite sure what the overarching theme of this report is. Is it that the Government is going too fast and needs to take people with it, or is it that it needs to pick up the pace of digital reform while not leaving people behind—or is it perhaps both?

Public Audit Committee

Tackling Digital Exclusion

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Jamie Greene

That timeline is stark. To put a pin point on it, when I joined the Parliament in 2016, I sat in a committee room not far from here, in which we discussed the procurement of the reaching 100 per cent—R100—programme, yet your report points to the fact that around 10 per cent of people still do not have access to the internet. Some eight years—nearly a decade—on from that time, a large chunk of people do not have digital skills or digital access. That speaks for itself.

Is there any particular reason why progress on the R100 programme—which means, presumably, reaching 100 per cent of the population—was not quite included in this report? I appreciate that there is some overlap with some of the work that Ofcom has been doing, but surely the infrastructure needs to be there before you can start teaching people the skills to use it.

Public Audit Committee

Tackling Digital Exclusion

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Jamie Greene

Obviously, addressing the associated effects of rural depopulation and tackling digital exclusion are key drivers to repopulating rural and island communities.

This is perhaps a more macro question. Was there any expectation in the draft report that some of those issues might have been addressed in the human rights bill that we expected to see in the programme for government? Is there any feeling of disappointment that that has not featured in the Government’s legislative plans? What effect will that have on the ability to ensure that everyone in Scotland is digitally included?