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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 December 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023-24”

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Jamie Greene

Good morning. I will start by looking at an area of the report that we have not covered, which is Scotland’s overall economic performance relative to that in the rest of the United Kingdom. For your information, that sits on pages 19 to 23 of the AGS report.

I will start with a question for the Scottish Government. Perhaps you can talk me through exhibit 3, which is the table on page 20. According to the Auditor General, between 2017 and 2023, the cumulative additional tax paid by Scottish taxpayers due to tax policy differences was £3.36 billion. The net increase to the Scottish budget is displayed not far away from that figure, and it is only £629 million. Why is that the case?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023-24”

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Jamie Greene

What do you mean by “behaviours”? I am just getting my head around that. It is not a trick question, by the way; I am just trying to understand the table.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023-24”

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Jamie Greene

But we also have high earners, and 0.8 per cent of all Scottish taxpayers pay 18 per cent of all Scottish tax, so we already have a significant, if small, group of people who pay a huge amount of tax. Surely the Government’s ambition should not be to increase that.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023-24”

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Jamie Greene

What is the Government’s position on the Fraser of Allander Institute’s Scottish business monitor? I presume that you have read that as part of your analysis of tax behaviour. Its last quarterly report, showed that 34 per cent of Scottish businesses reported that tax divergence was having a “fair” or “significant” effect on their business, including on their ability to recruit and retain people, on demands on wage pressures, and on an overall perception of Scotland’s competitiveness and inward investment. The number of businesses that felt that was significantly higher in particular sectors. You talked about the financial sector, but let us look at the construction sector, where nearly one third of businesses said that higher taxes had a significant effect on their ability to recruit and retain people in Scotland.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023-24”

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Jamie Greene

Data is key.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023-24”

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Jamie Greene

That is a very long answer that has not answered my question. You are using completely different language from that in the Audit Scotland report, but I can only use the language that the Auditor General has used. I appreciate that you are explaining the question.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023-24”

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Jamie Greene

That is really helpful.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Jamie Greene

I do not sit on the committee week in and week out any more, but I hear what the member says. We should bear in mind the fact that this is a victims bill. The point of changing from criminal justice reform to a victims bill was that the Government understood that there was a need to refocus on some technical changes to the judicial system, some of which are substantial. Equally, there was an opportunity to improve practices within the justice system, including the parole process, which seems to be a major and common theme that comes from victims. I therefore do not think that any of this is new.

I do not know the reasons why the committee did not take evidence on parole, and I do not know why the Parole Board for Scotland has not engaged with the committee on the bill. That is for the committee to understand.

At the end of the day, this is the only bill that is on the table at the moment. I could come back in the next year with a bill that is focused solely on reforming parole, but I do not think that the committee or the Parliament would have the time for it. This is the only bill in town at the moment, and that is why I am trying to use this bill to do what I want to do.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Jamie Greene

I know—I am sorry. I hope that, if the committee agrees that this is an important issue, it could take further evidence ahead of stage 3. That would be useful and important.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Jamie Greene

That is a very good point. There are ways and means to do this. We have to put faith in some of the pre-hearing reports that are considered. We know that justice partners will be engaging with the prisoner in advance of a hearing, whether that be SPS staff, clinical psychologists or a third party. I am sure that everyone will be aware—perhaps off the back of the recent television show “Adolescence”—of the key role that is played by someone assessing an individual who has committed a very grave crime and that there are ways and means to elicit an understanding of what underpins that person’s attitude towards the crime that they have committed.

I still believe that it is possible for someone who has communication difficulties or additional needs, for example, to demonstrate remorse. More important, I believe that there should be a moral obligation to do so. However, if they are unable to do so, the proposed amendment would not prohibit their release, nor would it ensure that they are kept in prison; it would simply be one of the factors that must be taken into account during a hearing. That is what campaigners are asking for. Some campaigners are asking to go a lot further than that, and I accept that doing so might be difficult. I am interested to hear what the cabinet secretary has to say on that.

I do not sit in those hearings and I do not know all the information that the Parole Board has in front of it, but I am pretty sure—I have some faith—that the members at a hearing should and will request access to all information that they deem necessary. That might involve extra support being provided in those very particular scenarios.