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Meeting of the Commission
Meeting date: 11 December 2025
Jamie Greene
My final, and slightly different, question is about risk. The direction of travel for your modernisation project suggests that it will be very heavily reliant on the Microsoft cloud for data storage and access. People in the very Parliament that we are sitting in know what happens when that goes down—it can thwart day-to-day business to the point, almost, of thwarting democracy.
I have concerns about your moving to an entirely virtual model. I am looking for some reassurance that you are able to operate on a day-to-day basis in any scenario—and that is before you look at third-party involvement, such as the types of espionage in other public bodies that we already know about, or espionage that is actively taking place. I am not necessarily wondering how wonderful your security systems are, but we know that those systems can go down, which has an effect. It has happened to the Parliament, so it could happen to you.
11:00Meeting of the Commission
Meeting date: 11 December 2025
Jamie Greene
Good old-fashioned spreadsheets will be back out soon enough.
Meeting of the Commission
Meeting date: 11 December 2025
Jamie Greene
Good morning. I have a wide range of ground to cover, so I will get straight into it. I will start with budget-related questions.
I refer to the appendix on page 21 of your budget proposal, which essentially provides a three-year snapshot of your expenditure. I will pluck some numbers out of it. We tend to look at year-on-year comparisons for budget asks, but I think that it is helpful to look at the figures for 2024-25 versus what you are asking from us in the proposal for 2026-27. What struck me most was that your income seems to be quite stable. It is sitting at around £25.5 million each year—there is variance, but it is not a huge amount, and the amount that you are forecasting for next year is pretty similar to the 2024-25 figure.
Interestingly, the amount that you are paying to external companies—the amount that is going out the door—has gone down by around £1 million over the same period.
Your revenue is stable and the amount that you are paying to the six private firms that are doing a third of your work is coming down. However, you asked for around £10.5 million from the SCF in 2024-2025 and that figure has jumped to around £16 million for next year—that is a massive jump, which we have to justify. How do you justify it?
Meeting of the Commission
Meeting date: 11 December 2025
Jamie Greene
But you have also included it in the legal and professional fees line of the budget.
Meeting of the Commission
Meeting date: 11 December 2025
Jamie Greene
Why are you proposing a reduction in your training budget for the next financial year?
Meeting of the Commission
Meeting date: 11 December 2025
Jamie Greene
Okay—thank you. That is now on the record.
Returning to my question about the huge jump, I note that your people costs were £23.7 million in the financial year 2024-25 and that you are projecting them to be £26.7 million next year. That is a jump of £3 million. What I cannot quite work out is why your head count is reducing while your people costs are rocketing. I can only assume that there are two reasons for that—the absorption into the people costs of the NI increase of £500,000, which we helpfully funded last year, and the 3.8 per cent uplift. However, even with those factors, the figures do not quite add up to such a large increase. How can your people costs go up by so much while you are forecasting a reduced head count?
Meeting of the Commission
Meeting date: 11 December 2025
Jamie Greene
Okay. While I have you on the phone, can I ask you about attrition or turnover at Audit Scotland in the past year compared with previous years? What is your current rate?
Meeting of the Commission
Meeting date: 11 December 2025
Jamie Greene
Are you training graduates?
Meeting of the Commission
Meeting date: 11 December 2025
Jamie Greene
Good.
We do not have a huge amount of time, so I am going to ask about the future and about your modernisation project, which is a subject that I know you were expecting would come up today. We have looked a little at your finances, and Mr Oliver talked about the re-profiling of some of the money that you thought you were going to spend this year but now want to move forward.
I want to get this correct. There is £430,000 that you expected to spend in this financial year but are not going to spend, so you have offered to return that to the consolidated fund. However, you are essentially asking to have that looped back to you. Would there be any benefit for you in being able to hold on to money and carry it over, rather than having to do a complicated dance of kindly giving money back to us and then coming begging for it the next day? Could we do that better?
Meeting of the Commission
Meeting date: 11 December 2025
Jamie Greene
Just for clarification, is the £250,000 NFI money in addition to your revenue ask of us? Are you asking for a one-off payment for that?