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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 February 2026
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Public Audit Committee

“Flooding in communities: Moving towards flood resilience”

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Jamie Greene

That was helpful clarification. It makes sense that, where very few spades went in the ground, the costs in question were associated with the development, planning and design of the schemes that did not come to fruition. I am sure that local communities will reflect on that.

If the 40 projects that were originally planned had been delivered ahead of significant storm events, would those events have had less impact or could any of the substantial damage that communities faced been avoided had those schemes been in place? Has any analysis been done of that?

Public Audit Committee

“Flooding in communities: Moving towards flood resilience”

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Jamie Greene

That is a short timescale.

Auditor General, your report is quite stark in its findings. It states explicitly that money that was supposed to go towards funding flooding schemes was redirected by councils. Was that a Scottish Government decision or a COSLA decision, or did individual councils take decisions to divert money from flooding to, for example, settle local government pay settlements? I think that you alluded to that. In other words, who made the decisions to divert that money away from vital flooding schemes?

Public Audit Committee

“Flooding in communities: Moving towards flood resilience”

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Jamie Greene

That information was helpful. The bigger concern, though—I am playing devil’s advocate here, because I have sympathy with the Government on this—is that if the original costs of cycle 1 have more than trebled to more than £1 billion, and if, as one might presume, cycle 2 is going to come with a huge price tag, where will the Government find the money to implement the cycle 2 schemes? After all, no Government can magic £2 billion out of nowhere. Where is the money going to come from? We have to invest in those schemes, so the Government will have to find that money from somewhere within its overall capital budget. We are talking about huge sums of money. Having seen eight of the previous 40 schemes being dropped, people will be concerned about the next tranche of schemes actually being delivered. When the worst happens, people will feel let down.

Public Audit Committee

Cairngorm Funicular Railway

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Jamie Greene

So, it will cover anything over £18 million—is that correct?

Public Audit Committee

Cairngorm Funicular Railway

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Jamie Greene

It is important; we are talking about public money.

Public Audit Committee

Cairngorm Funicular Railway

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Jamie Greene

That makes a bit more sense—thank you. I will not press that matter.

You said something interesting in response to questions about HIE’s risk factor and how you budget for planning ahead. You said, I believe, that the Scottish Government had provided some cover. I presume that you mean financial cover. If so, how much? In other words, when would your subsidy levels run out, and would you need to draw down Scottish Government money? You also said that that has been removed. My question, logically, off the back of that, is what happens when the operating company asks for more money than you have budgeted for?

Public Audit Committee

Cairngorm Funicular Railway

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Jamie Greene

I appreciate that.

Public Audit Committee

Cairngorm Funicular Railway

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Jamie Greene

It sounds as though you undertook an interesting due diligence process. What is the shelf life of the funicular once it is fully remediated? When will you have to start thinking about replacement?

Public Audit Committee

“Flooding in communities: Moving towards flood resilience”

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Jamie Greene

I will begin with a general question. The cycle 1 flood schemes were identified 10 years ago. There were 40 schemes in the plan, the cost of delivering which was estimated to be around £350 million at the time. You now estimate that cost to be around £1 billion, which is a lot of money. Is that your estimate of how much it would cost to deliver the 40 schemes if they were to be delivered in full today, or is that the amount that you understand that the Government has now allocated to their completion? It is a lot of money.

Public Audit Committee

“Flooding in communities: Moving towards flood resilience”

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Jamie Greene

What about contractors? I cannot get my head around how such a large sum of money has not gone on building flood defences or supporting communities. That is my point.