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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Jamie Greene

Thank you for putting your faith in their importance, convener.

Gentlemen, I appreciate that the clock is ticking. I recently jumped on the bandwagon of looking into my ancestry, and, when I got the certificates through, I discovered who my grandfather was. It said on the certificate that he was a welder in a Greenock shipyard, which was a surprise to me, because my granny never told me that. It then transpired that his father was a welder in a Greenock shipyard as well, so you could say that it runs in my blood. How on earth I am sitting here in a suit, talking about their finances, is another matter.

You are right, Mr Petticrew, that everyone wants to see the yard succeed. The question that we face—this goes back to the Auditor General’s report—is about the fact that Audit Scotland has analysed the numbers and the current situation and has flagged some very serious risks around the business as a going concern. None of us wants to talk in those terms or in that language, but we have to reflect on what the Auditor General said. Therefore, I am looking for some comfort that, on the basis of the strategy and throughout the business, including at board level—as you say, it goes from the bottom up, from the apprentices in the yard right through to those in the Scottish Government who are in charge of the strategic vision for the business as a publicly owned asset—there is a real joined-up approach to creating a sensible and realistic plan for a future for the yard. Otherwise, all the warnings in the Auditor General’s report would sadly come to pass. Fill me with some confidence that that is not the case.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Jamie Greene

That is a nice segue into colleagues’ questions about the future of the yard.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Jamie Greene

Let us talk about that. One of the major flags raised in the previous evidence session and in the report was the idea that all the eggs have been put in one basket, that being the small vessel replacement programme. The Auditor General said:

“if the yard was unsuccessful in securing work through the ... programme or if ... the shortfall was not backfilled by other ... avenues,”

there is doubt

“about the yard’s viability.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 16 January 2025; c 11.]

Other comments were made around that in writing and in the evidence from witnesses sitting where you are sitting. Do you accept that, in the creation of the business plan for the yard, too much emphasis or reliance was placed on winning that business? If that work does not follow through, does it leave a huge, gaping hole in your business plan?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Jamie Greene

Will that money be ring fenced? That is the question. Will capex investment in the yard be ring fenced?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Jamie Greene

Okay. Thank you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Jamie Greene

Right. Where does the rest of the money go? Where is the delta between the £37 million and the £47 million?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Jamie Greene

So, the £47 million includes the £14 million. It is not in addition to it—just to make that clear.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Jamie Greene

Realistically, I do not think that anyone who is in this room or watching this meeting believes that, at any point, the Government would say no to requests for extra cash to complete the vessel. We are not simply going to stop the project, are we? Ministers want to see the vessel sailing away from Greenock finished. Can we infer from that that there is a blank cheque to complete the project?

Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland 2024: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 29 January 2025

Jamie Greene

For the sake of all our constituents, I hope that we do not have to have that conversation in 12 months, on the next report.

Let us look at two metrics. The first is ambulance waiting times. Last week, across five health boards, including two in my region—NHS Ayrshire and Arran and NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde—the waiting time for yellow calls exceeded three hours. People waited three hours for an ambulance. We have heard horrific anecdotes about people waiting far longer.

Clearly, people who phone for an ambulance do so as a last resort, having exhausted other avenues and, perhaps, having given up on NHS 24—more than 100,000 people hung up on that service last year, waiting to be answered. I presume that when a person calls 999 to ask for an ambulance, the situation is serious. Why are people waiting three hours for an ambulance to turn up? What is going wrong in the Scottish Ambulance Service?

Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland 2024: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 29 January 2025

Jamie Greene

I need to be clear about that, because I hear that comment made far too often in the chamber, and I would not expect to hear it in committee. No one is talking nurses down. I am quoting the body that represents nurses. That is their strength of feeling, not mine.