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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 21 March 2024
Jamie Greene
Is it inevitable that the health budget will reach 50 per cent of all Scottish Government spend? That sounds like a massive figure—perhaps one that the public is not even quite aware of sometimes. Could that be prevented?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 21 March 2024
Jamie Greene
Some of my questions may give you the opportunity to say what you were about to say, Kersti.
Before we look at wider issues with other public bodies, I will start with the issue of WICS itself. I am new to the committee and did not attend the previous meeting, although I watched the footage. I thought that that was uncomfortable, but this is 10 times worse.
I am hearing about a wide range of issues. People who worked in the organisation got a number of what you might call perks in working practices, including free personal eye care, boozy lunches, retail vouchers, expensive training courses at Harvard, business class flights and so on. None of that would really ring any alarm bells for anyone who has worked in the private sector, where that is all quite common practice and is how businesses work. However, WICS is not in the private sector. It seems to me that there is a private sector culture of spending profits and shareholders’ money, but it is in the public sector.
Has the organisation been run like a business in the private sector instead of like a body in the public sector?
10:15Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 21 March 2024
Jamie Greene
Was there any financial payment?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 21 March 2024
Jamie Greene
Why did you not make him work his six months?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 21 March 2024
Jamie Greene
Why has the public funded him to go off and do something else for six months?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 21 March 2024
Jamie Greene
I hope so.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 21 March 2024
Jamie Greene
I have a lot of questions, so I will rattle through rather than ask the whole panel to respond. I ask for brief responses.
That is a valid conversation. The reason why I raised the issue is that those of us sitting round the table, and the public who are watching, are absolutely right to be outraged by £400 boozy lunches and people flying first class for training courses.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 21 March 2024
Jamie Greene
Either you knew that there were issues but said that there were not any in the report, in which case the report was false, or you missed all those issues and, if that is the case, how could you have missed them when Audit Scotland found them?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 21 March 2024
Jamie Greene
Yes, but my question is not about any of that. My question is about your role and the role of the gentleman sitting to your right and the fact that, as two members of the board, you failed to identify any of the corporate governance issues in your annual report. Why?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 21 March 2024
Jamie Greene
He was not under investigation, but he was clearly under a lot of pressure to respond to a very serious allegation by Audit Scotland about corporate governance. While that process was going on, and you were, I presume, waiting on a response, he handed in his notice. He was required to give you six months’ notice so, rather than have him hanging around for six months, was he allowed to leave with immediate effect and a six-month pay-off?