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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 December 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2018: Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Jamie Greene

Especially when people have had the guts to come forward, pick up the phone and make the call to the police, possibly for the first time, after years, only to find, at the end of a torturous three-year journey, that the perpetrator is given a community sentence or a fine, it is no wonder that so many feel let down by the system.

Is there a palpable sense of frustration in the police when officers are called out to households where there are repeat offenders whom they have seen before? Is there frustration that not enough is being done to support victims?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Jamie Greene

So, who would give the authorisation?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Jamie Greene

I see.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Jamie Greene

The reason that I asked the question is that the policy note states specifically that the provision will

“facilitate the transfer of prisoners”—

not necessarily evidence—

“to and from these countries”.

Section 31 of the 2003 act talks about evidence being given digitally or via video or telephone, which might make it easier for someone to participate in legal proceedings in another country—I understand that—but then the policy note goes on to talk about the removal of people.

Criminal Justice Committee

Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2018: Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Jamie Greene

Thank you, Dr Scott. I add my congratulations on your organisation’s birthday, and as one of the token men on the committee, I say happy international women’s day to you. Fist bumps all the way.

You have raised a few interesting points that I will not labour with the panel, because we do not have time.

The last point that I do want to discuss, although it is probably bad timing because it is international women’s day, is that domestic abuse is also suffered by men. There are male victims of domestic abuse, and they can suffer at the hands of either female or male abusers. I find it very hard to get statistical data on that, although I know that a witness from His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary in Scotland who will be in the next panel has some.

A couple of years ago, there was a concerted campaign by charities, the Scottish Government and some organisations in London to offer more support to deal with the stigma around male domestic abuse. You are nodding your head, Claire Houghton; do you want to come in on that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2018: Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Jamie Greene

Before I go back down the line of witnesses, I will add in the issue of sentencing, because Dr Scott was clear that sentencing could be tougher. It is all very well to pass it on to another element of the judiciary who are not here to defend themselves, but it is not just down to decisions by individual judges and sheriffs. The Scottish Sentencing Council is also involved, and that is often underpinned by legislation, which dictates the direction of travel. Perhaps in your answers you could respond to the school of thought that the current sentences are not proving to be a deterrent at all to some individuals.

Criminal Justice Committee

Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2018: Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Jamie Greene

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2018: Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Jamie Greene

I presume that there are safeguards to ensure that people are not obtaining information maliciously based on false premises.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Jamie Greene

Good morning, cabinet secretary. I have some questions about sections 47 and 48 of the 2003 act, which I believe the instrument amends or relates to.

The policy note states:

“Scottish Ministers will be able to facilitate the transfer of prisoners to and from these countries for assisting with the investigation of offences.”

That seems like quite a benign statement. First, does that agreement already exist and, if so, are you simply adding those countries to it?

Secondly, if such an agreement does not currently exist for those countries but will do after this change, I have some questions about what that will mean. At the moment, we are hosting a large number of Ukrainian refugees who have fled the war in their home country, and there have been media reports of some of them already looking to instigate proceedings with regard to crimes of war, against either Russia as a state or individuals. If any of those complainants were to make a complaint in Scotland, would this provision be required, for example, to move prisoners from Ukraine to Scotland for trial—or, indeed, vice versa, if someone had come here as a refugee but was found to be needed back home for an investigation? Would there be that kind of two-way conversation? Would it also include people held as prisoners of war? As a specific example, I am thinking about a Russian soldier in Ukraine who has been accused of a crime by someone currently in Scotland. Would this provision enable or facilitate their removal to Scotland? How would that happen?

Criminal Justice Committee

Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2018: Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Jamie Greene

Good morning. I will start with a question for Dr Scott. By asking it, I risk opening up a Pandora’s box, but I will ask it anyway. Earlier, you made a slightly off-the-cuff comment about sentencing being the elephant in the room. I would like you to elaborate on that, because I think that it is very relevant to the conversation. Will you briefly share your thoughts on the subject of sentencing as a deterrent?