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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 March 2026
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Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

Just to get this right, there are people who had body-worn cameras but who no longer have them. What has been the feedback from the officers about that? Are they happy about that removal or are they upset about it? Do they feel less safe?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

My questions are slightly different, convener, so if Graham Simpson wants to go first, that is fine.

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

There is no right or wrong answer.

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

You have more prisoners and fewer staff. That does not sound like a good mix.

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

I am using that as example of new investment, new money, new build and the model that might accompany that scenario.

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

Natural termination is the direction of travel, at least in your directorate?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

My first question is to Teresa Medhurst. I appreciate that you may not want to answer this, but I will give it a try anyway. Did you want to take ownership of HMP Kilmarnock?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

Mr Rennick, you are next, I am afraid. Back in 2022, when I sat on the Justice Committee, I asked a similar question about the difference between privately run prisons and Government-run ones, and the response from His Majesty’s chief inspector of prisons response was that HMP Kilmarnock

“is the cheapest prison in Scotland”—[Official Report, Justice Committee, 9 November 2022; c 8.]

to run. My initial question is: was the decision to move the prison into public ownership based on value for money or was it solely a policy decision?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

As the Public Audit Committee, we obviously have an interest in money, and I am still struggling to get my head around any comparison. I am yet to see, on paper anyway, what the prison cost to run in an average year under Serco and what it will cost to run under SPS. We do not have that comparison, which I think is unfortunate.

What we know about the figures is that the average cost per prisoner is around £52,000 a year under Serco’s direction and management. Can you tell me what that number will look like under the SPS? Is it higher or lower?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Jamie Greene

Did your directorate do any modelling of what the potential financial impact on the public purse might be? It is easy to say that we should wait and see what it costs, but that is the mop-up after. Should that work not have been done before the transfer?