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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 May 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Donald Cameron

After this evidence session, we will hear from the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care, Humza Yousaf, and the Cabinet Secretary for the Constitution, External Affairs and Culture, who are appearing in a joint panel. If you had to give them a message in a sentence, what would that message be?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Donald Cameron

I will finish with a question that returns to the issue of funding. There has been a lot of interest in a cross-portfolio approach to funding cultural services, with particular investment linked to health and wellbeing. Some examples have been given to the committee. One is about providing a level of core funding to cultural organisations from budgets that are outside the culture portfolio. Another is about a project funding approach, which could allow organisations to build capacity for things such as social prescribing. Do you support that kind of innovative approach to funding?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Donald Cameron

I bring in Angus Robertson.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Donald Cameron

Having listened to that exchange, I have an observation to make. Plainly, it is important not to forget about social care in this conversation, given that the design of the national care service is coming up. I hope—indeed, I am sure—that cultural considerations and mainstreaming the conversation are taking place in social care.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Donald Cameron

Thank you very much for those opening statements.

We move to questions. I will begin on the subject of cross-portfolio working, particularly in relation to funding. Many witnesses have told the committee that, if we are to truly focus on outcomes, opportunities to take a cross-portfolio approach to funding cultural services are key. In the earlier session, we heard from Glasgow Life’s director of museums and galleries, who made a firm and powerful point that he could not rely on the culture spend alone to power the cross-portfolio working on health and wellbeing that he would like.

Some examples have been given to us. Cultural organisations could be provided with a level of core funding from budgets outside the culture portfolio. Some people would prefer a project-funding approach that would allow organisations to do cross-portfolio work. What are your observations on that? If we are to truly make this happen, imaginative thinking on funding is required.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Donald Cameron

I thank both of you and your officials very much indeed for your time this morning. We have had a very fruitful session that has been undertaken in the spirit of the cross-portfolio working that we have all been discussing.

At this point, I close the meeting.

Meeting closed at 11:26.  

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Donald Cameron

I will move on to a question that is directed at Audit Scotland and Ms Calder, but I would be interested in other views as well. The Accounts Commission’s 2021 overview of local government highlighted

“the value ... of partnership working and empowering communities to deliver services that meet ... local needs.”

How does community-based provision by local authorities and arm’s-length external organisations work alongside what is being done by national agencies and programmes that are doing the same thing?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Donald Cameron

The report of the Christie commission is 11 years old now, as you know. You spoke about trying to avoid silo working, which was of course one of the central tenets of the Christie commission. You will be well aware that another main tenet was preventing negative outcomes through preventative spend. What are your thoughts on progress 10 years on from Christie?

10:45  

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Donald Cameron

Finally, I come to Carol Calder. I appreciate that you come at the issue from a slightly different perspective, Carol.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Donald Cameron

I am very pleased to hear that, cabinet secretary.