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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 May 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 6 October 2022

Donald Cameron

Thank you. I will turn to the issue of funding. We had some interesting evidence from Kirsty Cumming of Community Leisure UK. She called for a move away from what she described as “initiative-driven funding”. She went on:

“There are lots of little pots of money out there, but lots of time and effort are required to put in applications for them. Indeed, they are often for things that are seen as new, despite the fact that there might be programmes that are already delivering something similar across Scotland.”

What are your reflections on that? Is it time to end the initiative-led approach and move towards a different system of funding?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 6 October 2022

Donald Cameron

I am glad that you have mentioned philanthropy and the private sector, because as you have said there is a panoply of sources of potential funding, including some businesses that directly fund cultural organisations. However, it is not an area that we have explored that much in the past month or so. Thank you very much for your responses.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Scotland’s Census

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Donald Cameron

I thank the cabinet secretary and his officials from NRS and elsewhere.

My first question is about the cost of the census. You indicated in June, I think, that the extension came with an additional cost of approximately £9 million, although that was revised. What was the final cost of the extension and the final total cost of the census?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Scotland’s Census

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Donald Cameron

Finally, I will ask a question about a letter that has been supplied to the committee. It is from Mark Pont, who is assessment programme lead with the Office for Statistics Regulation, and it is addressed to Mr Whitehouse, so he might want to respond. Mr Pont makes a point about transparency, saying that he considers that

“it would be in NRS’s interests to be more transparent now about the steps that it is taking to generate good quality census estimates. We consider that being transparent about the various current activities, plans, processes etc would assure users of NRS’s trustworthiness and reassure users that they can confidently expect high quality estimates from the ... census.”

Do you accept that?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Scotland’s Census

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Donald Cameron

Can you also include, please, the impact of having included in the census what might be described as sensitive questions? Maurice Golden, who is not here today, raised that interesting point last week with Ian Diamond. Could you explore that and reflect upon it?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Scotland’s Census

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Donald Cameron

Thank you for that.

I will move on to the concept of lessons learned. You will be aware of the evidence that Sir Ian Diamond gave last week. To be fair, I note that you gave a commitment in the chamber earlier this year on learning lessons.

This is not to revisit old ground, but the stark reality of Scotland’s census is that it was approximately 8 per cent to 9 per cent behind the census in the rest of the UK in 2021. In addition, certain areas of Scotland—in particular Glasgow, which is our biggest city—had a very low rate, of around 81 per cent, in comparison with other areas. When you undertake the lessons-learned exercise, will you commit specifically to examining the disparity between Scotland and the rest of the UK and the disparity within Scotland, among local authority areas? That has emerged as a key issue this year in the course of parliamentary scrutiny.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Scotland’s Census

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Donald Cameron

What was the final total cost of the census?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Donald Cameron

I think that Julia Amour used the word “sobering”, and I have to say that I feel sobered after hearing the striking evidence from everyone at the meeting. I thank the witnesses for that.

I want to explore two issues, the first of which is clarity of funding. Do the witnesses feel that they have clarity of funding from Creative Scotland and the Scottish Government? I ask that given the uncertainty that was raised a few weeks ago about the funding for the youth music initiative. To be fair to Creative Scotland, it has clarified that the funding has been “paused” rather than ceased. Is clarity of funding important? What could the committee or the Government do to help with that?

I am also keen to explore the issue of flexibility that Alasdair Allan raised and which we have heard a lot about. A year ago, we were talking about Covid and the post-pandemic effect on the culture sector, and it strikes me that, with the current very serious pressures, we have a real opportunity now to think quite radically and quickly about flexibility. We could think, for example, about the ability to build up reserves over the years, multiyear funding and the spend-to-save approach; indeed, I was struck by the point that such an approach could rewire the system.

If you had a shopping list of three things that would give you additional flexibility, what would they be? I will start with Julia Amour, given that she is sitting next to me.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Scotland’s Census

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Donald Cameron

Thank you for those answers, which I wish to follow up. Will you commit to publishing the lessons-learned document for the benefit of Parliament?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Scotland’s Census

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Donald Cameron

Thank you for that correction.