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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

I do not think that we have specific numbers.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

Yes, and its name has been changed to the Care Reform (Scotland) Bill to reflect that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

It is still the Government’s intention to deliver a national care service, and there will be national aspects to how we deliver social care. We have created an advisory board that will have some national oversight functions. We are still aiming for a national care service, but the bill will not deliver it—you are correct.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

No, it is not reasonable, and that is why we have been in front of the committee quite so many times. With each substantial change to the bill, we have come back with financial information for you to scrutinise. I am keen for Parliament to do the job of scrutiny effectively.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

We have given you a range, which is the best estimate that we can give at this stage. We are expecting some stage 3 amendments on that provision, and it depends on them.

You will forgive me, convener, but I am trying really hard to be as open as possible with the committee. I have said since my first day in this job that I will try to ensure that you are well informed and are able to scrutinise the bill. However, it is quite unusual for a bill going through the Scottish Parliament to experience such financial scrutiny between stages 2 and 3. Part of the reason for the range in those figures is that we expect some refinement at stage 3 that will narrow the cost.

Do you want to say more on that, John Paul?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

As John Paul has said, the costs that we have provided are at the top end of what we predict, based on what we have heard from our co-design work and engagement with people who access social care. We are keen to work with small-scale local providers, because they know their communities best and can often link better to other local supports and networks. We are looking at this as a possible expansion of capacity over time and are pretty keen to ensure that we deliver a sustainable increase in capacity by working with those small local providers.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

A member of the public with an interest in finances and who is used to looking at financial memorandums would understand it perfectly well.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

As I said, the bill team and I have a great deal of engagement with stakeholders with an interest, as we have had since day 1. I am now confident that the elements of the bill that remain are ones that everybody is agreed on and that will deliver the changes.

We have spoken a lot about whether those changes could be delivered in other ways than primary legislation. What is left in the bill are the things that absolutely need primary legislation to be changed and that everybody agrees on—I am very confident of that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

There will be secondary legislation as a result of the bill, yes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

I ask Ryan Anderson to respond to that question.