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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 31 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

I am confident because, for a number of years, I have worked closely with all of the stakeholders involved. I am confident about where we are and what we are planning to do, and I am confident that we will find an impactful way forward. We all agree that the status quo is not acceptable and that change is needed, and we see the bill as containing the elements of change that are largely universally agreed upon.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

It did not happen with the first iteration—that is correct. It did not happen with the second iteration. The core elements of this third iteration are the issues that everybody is agreed on and the changes that everybody wants to see.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

As I said, and as you have stated yourself, the changes that have occurred relate largely to differences in approach. The most substantial change in the figures is because the approach in the bill has changed. We are settled now, in the main, on what will be delivered by the bill, and the range of potential costs and our confidence in those costs have improved greatly because of that. There is a settled position, and I think that the public would like us to get on with delivering it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

Lee, would you like to answer that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

Would you like to respond to that, Lee?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

I agree. The changes in the financial memorandum over the years largely reflect the changes to the bill. The bill has been refined and we have, as the committee will be aware, substantially changed course a number of times, and each time we have provided the committee with fresh estimates of what the bill will cost to deliver, according to what is intended by it.

We are getting very close to delivery point. There are still some unknowns about what refinements might occur at stage 3, but we have greatly narrowed the range and are pretty confident about the direction of travel.

The reason that the numbers were different in the letter that I sent last week—and the reason for the correction that I have sent today—was simply human error. A box in a table was completed and, as a result, the phasing started one year earlier than it should have, which knocked the whole table out of sync. The error was quickly spotted and corrected.

The reason for the range in the figures is that we are projecting 10 years in the future and the ranges get broader the further they are from the moment in time at which we start. Therefore, we are taking into account the projected increase in the number of carers and things like that, but we cannot know specifically how many carers will use the service in 10 years.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

As I have previously explained during various committee appearances and in the chamber, a great deal of Anne’s law has already been delivered by secondary legislation—indeed, many of the changes that we need to see have already happened on the ground. The Care Inspectorate is a passionate advocate for Anne’s law now, so I think that the cost that will be associated with the final iteration’s introduction will be insubstantial, because much of the cost has accrued already in the course of normal work.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

No, thank you. I am very grateful for the committee’s time and its on-going scrutiny of the bill. I think that the changes that the bill proposes are ones that everyone in Scotland is now agreed upon, and I am keen to crack on and deliver.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Employment Rights Bill (UK Parliament Legislation)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

To expand on that, the CCPS tends to represent not-for-profit providers and Scottish Care tends to represent private providers of varying sizes. Both organisations represent very large and very small organisations. It is complex to set up a sectoral bargaining organisation, especially as so many different parties are involved, including a large number of employers, COSLA, the Scottish Government and a variety of trade unions. The academic input has been crucial to unlocking the challenges that we face. We feel as though we are motoring and that we are pretty close to reaching an agreement; we just need to dot the i’s and cross the t’s on the sectoral bargaining proposal.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Employment Rights Bill (UK Parliament Legislation)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

They are not quite ready to be implemented. We are still trying to achieve consensus, but the evidence that the committee has taken has been absolutely correct: we have made massive progress and we are significantly ahead of other UK nations, because we have been working for many years on the voluntary sectoral bargaining tool.

I will let Martin Reid say more about the detail.