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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

I do not agree with that. A great deal of the spend by the bill team has been on co-design. Perhaps John Paul would like to say a little bit more about the work of the national care service team of civil servants.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

You will understand that we substantially changed our approach to the national care service. The original bill, as introduced, is no longer happening, but it would have involved lots of staff changing employer, and the Government would have had direct control. We changed to a shared accountability agreement, but, as you will understand, last year, the shared accountability agreement broke down, with the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities publicly stating that it no longer supported that.

This was not my intended approach. I believed that this level of substantial change required to be underpinned by legislation in order to deliver the change that people need to see. However, our partners—in local authorities, for example—have persuaded me that the changes can be made, and nobody is saying that the status quo needs to persist. What local authorities have told me loudly and clearly is that they can deliver the change that we want to see without legislation and without structural reform, so that is what we are doing. The work is continuing, as you say, on a voluntary basis, but a great deal of the current work on improving social care sits outside the bill.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

I would disagree with the premise of that question. I do not think that anything went wrong with the co-design. It has been absolutely vital for the Government to listen to individuals who access and work in social care and to learn from them about the changes that they want to see.

One challenge that we have faced over the course of the bill is that there are strong stakeholder interests, not all of which are aligned. When the decision was made by local authorities to walk away from the shared accountability agreement, I said repeatedly that the voices that we were not hearing in the public debate at that time were those of the people who were accessing care.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

That is why we have begun work already with the providers and stakeholders who will be involved in delivering that commitment, and it is why the introduction is being phased over 10 years. We recognise that there is a need to build capacity between now and when it is fully delivered.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

Lee Flannigan can come in if I do not cover this adequately, but our trajectory is based on our experience with the Carers (Scotland) Act 2016. There were similar concerns when that legislation was introduced that there would be huge pent-up demand and that delivery would require far greater capacity early on, but that was not what actually happened.

There are challenges. Carers often do not identify as carers, and they struggle to find out what is available to them. We are fairly confident in our trajectory, because of our experience with the 2016 act.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

Not in its whole sense.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

I think that it is reasonable. The bill has been substantially refined since its introduction and, at each step of the way, we have provided fresh financial information. I think that it is reasonable and allows scrutiny by the Parliament.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

Yes, some significant areas will be delivered by secondary legislation. There will be some areas of which the final format has not yet been decided.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

Is the team still the same size, John Paul?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Maree Todd

Yes, that is fine—I will certainly provide you with more information. As I have said nearly every time that I have been in front of the committee, the national care service team works with social care as well, and, at the moment, we collectively spend £6.1 billion per year on social care.