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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 November 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Liam Kerr

I put the same question to Bronagh Andrew. According to the bill’s policy memorandum, the measures are intended to “reduce the number” of people in prostitution. Is there any evidence that models such as the Nordic model achieve a reduction in the number of people in prostitution?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Liam Kerr

Yes, and I want to take that forward. If you do not mind, I will stay with you for this question. You talked about the work that you have been doing jointly with Police Scotland. Last week, I read a report in the Daily Record that said that Police Scotland is supportive of criminalising the purchase of sex but “could not afford to enforce a crackdown”. Given that, to what extent does the effectiveness of a Nordic model hinge on enforcement by the police and courts, or is it more about messaging and driving a culture change?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Liam Kerr

I am very grateful. Lynsey, you heard Laura Baillie talking about the Irish experience. Your written evidence also refers to Ireland. You said that, in Northern Ireland, the Department of Justice found “no evidence” of

“a downward pressure on ... demand ... or supply”.

You also refer to a minister in the Republic of Ireland saying that “demand has not decreased.”

Towards the end of the evidence session, the first panel said that the bill is the only legislation that reduces prostitution. You cited the example of Ireland. What, if anything has happened to supply, not just the demand side? You said that only 15 men were convicted in seven years in the Republic, so is it actually a policing issue?

11:30  

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Liam Kerr

I will move on, but before I do so, I would just remark—because I think that we would all accept that there is overcrowding—that I was simply trying to establish what is being done to bring that overcrowding down. I certainly do not question the engagement that the cabinet secretary is having, but I think that people outside need to see real change.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Liam Kerr

The committee would be very grateful. Thank you for that.

For my final question, I will stay with you, cabinet secretary. The committee has heard evidence that there are simply not the required resources when it comes to what prison officers and NHS staff need to address this issue in prisons. The committee has heard that the impact on those who work in our prisons is physically, mentally and emotionally exhausting, and I know that the cabinet secretary has seen Teresa Medhurst’s comments in The Scotsman today on that matter. What is the Scottish Government doing practically to ensure that sufficient funding is available to provide the resources required? Do Teresa Medhurst’s warnings have any influence on the cabinet secretary’s thinking in relation to the upcoming budget?

10:30  

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Liam Kerr

That is very helpful, thank you.

I have one final question. What does the Government project will be the impact on prosecutions from making this change, and how will resource be scaled as a result?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Liam Kerr

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Liam Kerr

Good morning. The committee has heard a great deal of evidence that the single biggest influence on substance misuse in prisons is overcrowding, which is due to issues such as reduced resources, staff capacity or time spent in cells. The cabinet secretary will have seen Teresa Medhurst saying just today in The Scotsman that overcrowding means that

“prisons are simmering on the brink of a crisis”,

as well as pointing out that the early release schemes have failed to address the matter. What actions will the Government take to address overcrowding, and when will those actions deliver a genuine reduction in numbers? Will the Government try another early release scheme?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Liam Kerr

You mentioned, rightly, drug treatment earlier. With regard to the number of people entering prison in the first place, the committee has heard evidence of the low number of community payback orders with drug, alcohol and mental health treatment requirements, and we have seen data that shows that lower numbers of drug treatment and testing orders are being imposed than there were before Covid. Why is that? Is the Edinburgh Bar Association correct to say that, in Edinburgh, a DTTO—which was an alternative to custody—has not been available since 2023? What is the Government proposing to do instead?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Liam Kerr

Let me throw that back to you, cabinet secretary: which new measures are you proposing, precisely? I fear that you might have avoided the question that I started off with, which was whether there would be another early release programme.