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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Liam Kerr

I welcome that, because some witnesses have expressed that as a view. I know that you will do that, because you have said that you will, so I am very grateful for that.

Earlier, you said that Gaelic education has been an enormous success story. Now we are talking about Scots. Therefore, whatever changes were made 20 years ago and since, given that Gaelic education has been an enormous success story, what type of duties does the Government intend to place on education authorities through the Scots language education standards? Although the financial memorandum does not deal with that, how much do you envisage that that would cost local authorities?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Liam Kerr

Forgive me, cabinet secretary, I realise that I am interrupting you, but I asked specifically about Scots. We have a great focus—rightly so, in many ways—on Gaelic, but we do not hear so much about Scots. Therefore, I am asking specifically about the Scots provisions and the economy.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Liam Kerr

Cabinet secretary, on the statistics that you gave to the convener regarding teachers who can teach Gaelic but are not currently doing so, just so the committee fully understands this, are you proposing that our already very hard-working teachers double up with Gaelic, or are you proposing that they stop teaching their other substantive subject and become Gaelic teachers instead?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Liam Kerr

To what extent have you considered the Gaeltacht model in the Republic of Ireland?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Liam Kerr

What are they? What are the initiatives that are planned under the bill that require the funding?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Liam Kerr

Perhaps I will stick with that point, cabinet secretary. With regard to the obligations that ultimately may come from the Scots part of the bill, where would Scots fit in the school timetable? For example, would it be a choice, as Ben Macpherson talked about earlier, along with modern languages, such as French and German? That would be in the context of falling numbers, with fewer children looking to do modern languages, and Falkirk Council seeming to propose a cut to the school week. Where will that teaching fit in?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Liam Kerr

If I am reflecting properly, you seem to be saying that, in regard to Gaelic, we are not in 2004, when we were expecting local authorities to have due regard to Gaelic—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Liam Kerr

I will go back to Bill Kidd’s first question. Cabinet secretary, do you recognise the risk that some witnesses have suggested to the committee that, in talking about and defining Scots, the bill will standardise out what are very different dialects, such as Doric and Norn?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Liam Kerr

That is quite a key point—it is what I am asking about. With respect, I am not asking about what is there already. Given that new duties are apparently being created, I am asking what that means, so that the committee can produce a report. What does the bill actually mean and, therefore, from there, what will the extra cost be to our cash-strapped local authorities? With great respect, Douglas Ansdell, I think that what I am hearing is that you—the bill team and the cabinet secretary—are not in a position to give the committee an answer to those very important questions. Is that a fair reflection?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Liam Kerr

To stick with the question of Scots, you would like children to be exposed to that. Those were your words. Where will the teaching staff come from in a context of falling teacher numbers in many subjects and ever-smaller numbers of specialists in most subjects? Will those teachers come from an existing pool or will there be new ones and what is the projected cost of training them?