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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 October 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Liam Kerr

Good morning. Linda Pollock, as you will be familiar from the session last week, the committee has heard that overcrowding is perhaps the single biggest influence on prison officers’ ability to effectively manage substance misuse in prisons, due to capacity and resource management. Despite the early releases over the past 12 months, the prison population is now at its highest weekly level since April 2014—at about 8,350, give or take. How does the SPS plan to manage and address that overcrowding, in both the short and the long term, and how will those plans impact on the SPS’s ability to manage and prevent substance abuse in the system?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Liam Kerr

I am grateful for that very full answer. I will interrogate it slightly, if I may. You mentioned remand prisoners. Off the top of my head, 1,800 of the total of 8,300 prisoners are on remand—I am sure that you can give me the exact figure. Presumably, they present a specific issue in relation to overcrowding and the management thereof. Can you detail that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Liam Kerr

That was really helpful and, in fact, reflects other evidence that we have heard throughout the inquiry.

Sarah Angus, I have a similar question for you. The committee has heard about a lot of good work that the SPS has been doing to address the supply of substances into the estate. Obviously, the SPS and other agencies are also looking to address demand and the reasons underlying it. Given that you are in a somewhat challenging funding environment, how does the SPS balance spending between addressing the supply issue and, at the same time, trying to address the demand issue?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Liam Kerr

My question is for Linda Pollock, and is entirely related to what Pauline McNeill said about Barlinnie. Having visited Barlinnie several times, I recognise exactly what she was talking about, particularly with regard to doubling up. One might theorise that, when two people share a cell of the size and style that we have in Barlinnie, the availability of substances and the pressure to use them and to get involved in their distribution might increase. However, I do not know that, so my question is: has any research been done—or is any proposed—on the impact, either on substances or more widely, of prisoners doubling up in cells? If there were such research, and it showed significant negative impacts, that might be quite powerful when it comes to policy making.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Liam Kerr

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liam Kerr

I am struggling to phrase my next question because I do not quite know whether I want to ask it. You said that the grilles have already been compromised. You probably noticed Mr Macpherson and I conferring on the obvious question, which is to ask how that happened, but I realise that you may not want to explain that in a public forum. I offer you the question, but you may decline to answer it.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liam Kerr

I have a final question on a similar topic. You spoke in your opening remarks about vulnerable individuals—those are my words rather than yours—and said that they are almost coerced into using and trafficking substances in prisons. Can you expand on that? What can or should be done to tackle that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liam Kerr

I understand.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liam Kerr

I am very grateful. Jim Smith, do you have anything to add?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liam Kerr

I understand. Gillian Walker, you might have heard the comments by the Prison Officers Association earlier about how vulnerable individuals might be coerced when they are in prison to participate in the use of or trafficking of substances in and around prisons. Do you recognise that? If so, can you describe for the committee how that looks and how it gets addressed?