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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 March 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Liam Kerr

The report will be published shortly. We will have a short suspension before we move to the next item of business. I thank the minister and her officials.

09:57

Meeting suspended.

09:59

On resuming—

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Liam Kerr

Thank you. I am grateful to you and to all our witnesses for the submissions that they have sent in.

I will open with a quick scene-setting question before we move to questions from Sharon Dowey. The Scottish Government’s submission says that, since 2021, the Scottish Government has provided £84 million for grass-roots projects. The partnership delivery group was set up in December 2023. I am less clear on when the framework for collaboration was set up, but I think that it might have been 2021. In June 2024, we had the formation of the mental health task force. This committee started to get interested in the subject in around May 2022.

What has actually been achieved? Perhaps more important, given the evidence that the committee will hear later today about the significant challenges that are still out there, when will we get to a position in which the right agency deals with the right people at the right time?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Liam Kerr

Some 85 per cent of those incidents do not involve a crime. At the outset, you told us that there has been a spend of £164 million in this area.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Liam Kerr

I am grateful for that.

Police Scotland attends 14,500 mental health incidents every month.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Liam Kerr

Do you have metrics showing what the material impact of that spending has been, and the impact of the initiatives that you have both described, on policing?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Liam Kerr

Thank you. We have heard a lot this morning about the good work that has been going on, which you acknowledged in your opening statement. In its evidence, the Scottish Government has suggested that 20,000 police hours have been saved through initiatives such as the ones that we have heard about. That is a positive impact, one would have thought, but there is also a personal impact on individual police officers. You will correct me if I am wrong, Mr Threadgold, but I think that some 2,300 officers are either off work or on reduced work.

If 20,000 hours have been saved, can you help us to understand how many hours the police are actually spending in this area? Is 20,000 hours a lot to save or is it a drop in the ocean? Have all the frameworks that we have heard about this morning and all the good work that has been done really not impacted at all, as you seem to suggest?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Liam Kerr

Mr Threadgold, I thank you very much for your evidence. One area of our inquiry that we have not managed to get to today is police suicides. That topic is very important to us, but we have been stymied by time. I wonder whether you might be amenable to writing to us on the issue after this session. Would that be okay?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Liam Kerr

I welcome, from Police Scotland, Assistant Chief Constable Catriona Paton, the lead for the policing together programme, and Nicky Page, the temporary director of human resources. We have up to 60 minutes for this session.

I invite ACC Paton to make a short opening statement.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Liam Kerr

I am grateful—thank you for your contribution this morning, Pauline.

I will ask the next question, and I will then move to Sharon Dowey.

ACC Paton, the Scottish Police Federation said that there was an ever-increasing demand on Police Scotland to look after vulnerable people for ever-longer periods. That is in a context of resource going down. What does the chief constable propose to do about that? Might the right care, right person model, which we heard about earlier, be part of the solution?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Liam Kerr

I will bring in Rona Mackay in a moment to ask a quick supplementary question, but I have a further question for you first, given that you brought up section 32 of the 2012 act and the wellbeing issue.

You talked earlier about your core role and you set out your four priorities for policing. You talked about the chief constable’s 2030 vision for safer communities, less crime, supported victims and, crucially, a thriving workforce. However, when we heard from the federation earlier, it said that section 32 is the key issue. We heard that, because it includes wellbeing, it is fostering a culture that is risk averse and that includes an expectation that, as I think you have just said, the public do not necessarily have of their police.

If that is correct, and if the federation is correct that a different strategic direction is needed from the chief constable, nothing is going to change unless that wellbeing issue changes. How does Police Scotland respond to that? What do you think the chief constable can and will do?