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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Liam Kerr

I have one final question, which is also for ACC Paton. You have talked about the initiatives that are going on and the positive impact that they are having. However, both ASPS and the SPF, in their evidence to the committee, mentioned the right care, right person approach, which is used throughout most of England and Wales, I think—those are my words, not theirs. What is your view on that model, and should it be adopted by Police Scotland?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Liam Kerr

Good morning, everyone. My first question is for Assistant Chief Constable Paton. Police Scotland has a data dashboard that helps to provide an understanding of mental health demand on police time. The cabinet secretary told the committee last year that it would be rolled out to other partners. How is the dashboard performing, what are you doing with the data and has it been rolled out?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Liam Kerr

That is obviously important work. You have also set up a mental health task force and a mental health strategic oversight board. His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary in Scotland has recommended that you produce a mental health strategy and a delivery plan.

However, some evidence that the committee received in advance of today’s meeting suggests that the impressive array of work that is being done at strategic level is not translating into operational delivery for front-line officers. ACC Paton, what is Police Scotland’s view of that assessment? Do you agree with it? What are the potential barriers to the translation to operational delivery?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Liam Kerr

I will speak quickly, convener. I will put my question to ACC Paton, if I may. Section 297 of the Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003 gives the police powers to remove

“a person ... in a public place ... to a place of safety”

if they reasonably believe that there is

“a mental disorder”

and some other conditions apply. The police cannot remove the person from their home, and such removal requires there to be a mental disorder, which police officers are not necessarily trained to assess. I go back to Dr Steel’s point that police officers often respond to mental distress rather than mental disorders. Should the committee consider whether the 2003 act needs to be amended or improved to help you to do your job?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Liam Kerr

On that point—

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Liam Kerr

I will be very quick, convener. On that point, ACC Paton, you have talked a lot about the improvements and the good work that is going on, but ASPS and the SPF were very clear that that is not necessarily translating to the front line. If I ask them in a year’s time whether that has improved, will they tell me that there has been a tangible improvement at the operational level?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Liam Kerr

A similar question occurs to me. You said that there was a potential gap; however, earlier in your remarks, you said that it has become apparent that the change is needed. That rather implies that there have been some cases in which the police have been hamstrung or perhaps less able to put together an application. Is that correct? If so, are you aware of any negative consequences of this change not having been in place already, such that it is now needed?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Liam Kerr

I understand. Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Liam Kerr

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Liam Kerr

It is indeed an unusual approach. You have said that we all want to see progress and that there has been plenty of engagement with victims groups, but last week, Victim Support Scotland told the committee that it was worried that the introduction of a new victim contact team was

“counterintuitive, potentially costly and potentially unnecessary”.—[Official Report, Criminal Justice Committee, 4 December 2024; c 24.]

Therefore, there is at least a risk that you might be lodging amendments that do not have the support of victims organisations. We do not even know what this is going to look like. What would be your response if it turned out that victims groups were not supportive of the detail of the amendments?