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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Liam Kerr

Thank you. The committee has heard in evidence that key provisions of the bill—again, section 1 in particular—would impact on the safety of people selling sex. Does the Government share those concerns? If so, in what ways does the Government think that the risks would be increased? Does the Government think that any amendments could be made at this stage that would reduce those risks?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Liam Kerr

I understand.

Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Liam Kerr

I will press you on that. If you have been looking at the international evidence, what does the Government conclude regarding whether provisions such as those in the bill would reduce the amount of prostitution in Scotland and tackle demand?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Liam Kerr

Earlier, in response to Sharon Dowey, the minister expressed her concern that there was insufficient time to get the bill through, and she prayed in aid two other bills. This bill has 11 sections, one of which is the short title. The Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill, as drafted, had 72 sections plus schedules, and the Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill had 93 sections and three schedules. It is my view that the Government has form: if it wants to get something through, it will. I note that we will now sit in February—we will not take a February recess—to ensure proper scrutiny of all the legislation going through.

Will the minister clarify why she thinks that this bill cannot be properly dealt with over the next 18 weeks? If that is about consultation—as she has alluded to—who has not been consulted?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Liam Kerr

Good morning. I want to ask about the resource budget and will follow on from the convener’s questions. Your submission says that you are

“operating at 107% of total design capacity”.

As you said, that might even have been superseded. Last year, you needed in-year resource funding of £22.5 million to address the utilities, the pay policy and the other things that you mentioned. As precisely as you can, can you tell us what extra funding—the minimum figure—you need in the resource budget to run safely next year?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Liam Kerr

I understand.

On the capital side, HM Inspectorate of Prisons for Scotland has identified HMP Greenock, HMP Dumfries and HMP Perth as having “extremely old infrastructure”. Meanwhile, the replacement prisons—HMP Glasgow and HMP Highland—are delayed and over budget.

Can you update the committee on the current position on HMP Glasgow and HMP Highland? How much extra are you spending to maintain the older prisons at an appropriate level? What does the capital figure need to be to allow you and the staff to do the difficult job that we ask you to do?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Liam Kerr

Right. You said in response to Pauline McNeill that, at the point when it opens, it would be staffed with broadly the same people who are currently working at HMP Inverness. That will necessarily come with the training costs that you identified, but, if the prison has greater capacity, there will also need to be a recruitment exercise. All that will come with an extra cost, so has that figure been factored into the £40 million increase on last year that you require? If not, what is the extra figure that will be required to open the new prison?

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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Liam Kerr

Before I move to John Logue, I have another question. At the start of your answer, Malcolm, you talked about something being baselined. I want to give you the opportunity to clarify that for people who are watching the meeting. What did you mean by “baselined”? Is it not the case that the SCTS was treated differently in relation to baselined RRT funding than other organisations?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Liam Kerr

I understand.

On capital funding, you have stated in your submission that you require total capital investment, up to 2030-31, of £354 million, which you break down into various years. If the current £47 million a year of capital funding were to continue, that would leave you £119 million short by 2030-31. What would be the practical result of not getting that investment?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Liam Kerr

I am grateful, convener.

Chief officer, your current budget gives you £332 million in resource funding. You have just said that you need an additional £30.854 million in the next budget, which would allow you to do the various things that you have set out. What extra resource funding do you require to ensure that you do not need to reduce firefighter posts to balance the budget?