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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

National Planning Framework (NPF4)

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Liam Kerr

I do, convener, but it is for Dr Brown, so perhaps you could bring me in at the end, if she reconnects.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

National Planning Framework (NPF4)

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Liam Kerr

I want to pick up on the line of questioning that Mark Ruskell explored with Dr Brown. You talked about a lack of strategy in NPF4 and STPR2. We have heard quite a lot about the urban possibilities, but it is difficult to relate a lot of that to rural settings or areas where bus services perhaps cannot be run for financial reasons. That point is correctly set out in the CPT written submission.

The United Kingdom Committee on Climate Change says that we need 30,000 public electric vehicle chargers by 2030; we currently have about 2,500. To go back to your comments about the lack of strategy, does NPF4 sufficiently account for roll-out of EV chargers and can it facilitate the extent of roll-out that we need?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Liam Kerr

Thank you. I have one final question, minister, on measurement. The stated aims of the policy, which you alluded to earlier, include reducing car use and increasing use of public transport. How does the Scottish Government intend to formally measure what is happening in order to establish whether the implementation of a workplace parking levy has caused the aims to be achieved—in other words, that there is causation rather than simply correlation? Also, to go back to the convener’s point, how does the Scottish Government intend to measure whether, if employers pass the cost on to employees, we are not simply forcing the lower-paid members of a company on to public transport while the higher-paid members avail themselves of the parking spaces?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Liam Kerr

I have no further questions, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

National Planning Framework (NPF4)

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Liam Kerr

No—that was an interesting answer. Local authorities face severe funding challenges, and you say that

“there must be an understanding that any bus route new or existing will receive on-going public sector funding”.

Has central Government sufficiently recognised that in NPF4 or more widely, in order to meet the aims that we all want to achieve, and which you pointed out?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

National Planning Framework (NPF4)

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Liam Kerr

I am very grateful for that answer. Your last point might be the key one. I have in mind the situation in Montrose in my region, which I have been very active—along with colleagues across the parties—in trying to address.

That leads on to a similar point. Several witnesses have talked about the current burdens on local authorities. As Bruce Wilson pointed out, that is in a context of major budget cuts and funding pressures. In your view, given what you have said about the need to proactively address the issue, is NPF4 sufficiently cognisant of the ability of local government, financially and resource-wise, to mitigate what is happening in Montrose and elsewhere? Does it need to be stronger in mandating central Government to provide the resources and the financing?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

National Planning Framework (NPF4)

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Liam Kerr

I will direct a question to Paul White, based on the line of questioning that we have just heard from Monica Lennon. The CPT submission talks about the need for bus services to receive on-going funding, absent which operators will need to make some difficult decisions on, for example, fares, routes and frequency. The committee is carrying out an inquiry into local authorities’ ability to support the measures to achieve net zero, and we know that significant cuts to local authority budgets are coming. Noting that, is there sufficient recognition in NPF4 or more widely of what central Government needs to do to prevent the negative impacts that you mention in your submission?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Liam Kerr

To go back a stage, you talked about moving funds to support the green agenda. My question is related to the question that my friend Mark Ruskell asked earlier. More generally, how do you measure or project what the prospects of achievement for each project will be and whether the funding will be sufficient to deliver that? Similarly, how do you measure or project the opportunity cost of the reduction in investment elsewhere?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

National Planning Framework (Energy)

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Liam Kerr

I cannot see whether anyone else wants to respond, so I will pose another question.

Dr Kerr referred earlier to the expectation that industrial developments with waste or surplus heat will be co-located with areas of demand. As we know, a significant proportion of demand will be for domestic heat. How do we strike a balance between using sources of low-carbon heat and building houses where people actually want to live?

Thinking about your last answer, I wonder whether that issue has been addressed anywhere else. What I am hearing from you—and, indeed, what we have seen in the submission from Scottish Renewables—is a feeling that this framework has been drafted somewhat in isolation. Is there anything else that we need to be aware of in this particular space?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Liam Kerr

In your opening remarks, you mentioned the allocation of £20 million to the just transition fund. What or who precisely is that paying for or going to? What are the measurable year 1 outcomes of that £20 million?