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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 May 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Colin Smyth

Thanks very much for that, Kellie. I say to all the witnesses that they should please catch my eye if they want to come in on any questions that have not been directed to them.

I will pick up on a point that you made about SAAB, Susan. We have heard from several people that it has been very effective in engaging with employers. Were you surprised with the proposal to wind it up, to use your term? Are you clear about the alternative that is likely to be put in place?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Colin Smyth

That is an excellent point on which to end our evidence session. Thank you so much to all the panel for your insights, which are incredibly helpful. I have no doubt that we will use what we heard today in our future work.

10:45 Meeting continued in private until 12:18.  

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Colin Smyth

I am pleased to welcome the next panel in our session on skills. We are joined by the team from Skills Development Scotland: Frank Mitchell, chair; Damien Yeates, chief executive; Gordon McGuinness, director of industry and enterprise networks; and Lynne Robson, head of evidence and impact. As always, I appeal to members and witnesses to keep questions and answers as concise as they can.

I will kick off with a question that follows up on one that I put to James Withers about the apprenticeship board. What is the view of Skills Development Scotland on the recommendation to wind up the board in its current format? I am keen to get your take on the point that James Withers made in the previous session, which he has also made in his review, about the need to widen the involvement of and the engagement with employers beyond apprenticeships.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Colin Smyth

I will hand over to Daniel Johnson for the final questions. I stress that I am not staging a walkout because Daniel is about to ask a question; I have the Conveners Group meeting with the First Minister upstairs in about one minute and 20 seconds, and I am keen to ask him questions about skills. I will leave our meeting for that reason, but I am leaving you in the capable hands of the deputy convener. Over to Daniel Johnson.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Colin Smyth

I will bring in Murdo Fraser to follow up on some of the points on apprenticeships.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Colin Smyth

You mentioned economies that have a much higher level of apprenticeships. As well as Switzerland and Germany, there are the Scandinavian countries and others. Did you take account of that when making your recommendations?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Colin Smyth

That is an interesting point. There was a lot of positive feedback on the delivery of apprenticeships, and there was a desire for there to be more of them, given that the level is still below what it was before Covid.

One of the key messages that we got from our visits was the importance of engagement with employers when it comes to influencing the apprenticeship landscape. Industry representatives were surprised by your recommendation to wind up the Scottish apprenticeship advisory board, even though your report recognises the excellent work that it has done on influencing the shape of apprenticeships in Scotland. You propose a structure of regional and national workforce boards that seems quite complex and convoluted. Why not harness that valuable contribution from employers that support the board and build on what was undoubtedly seen by them as a strength, with cross-sectoral support?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Colin Smyth

I will bring in Willie Coffey.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Colin Smyth

I bring in the deputy convener.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Colin Smyth

I never believe anyone when they say that their question will be quick, but we will see. [Laughter.]