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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 20 April 2022

Colin Smyth

I am keen to continue Michelle Thomson’s line of questioning on devolved policy levers. Jennifer, if you were in front of the Scottish Government, which one policy would you say it should pursue in order to break down the barriers to which you referred?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 30 March 2022

Colin Smyth

You made the valid points that there needs to be a bottom-up approach, that each town is different and that there is not going to be a solution from either the council or the Government. How do we then enable that bottom-up approach to happen?

The convener asked me to be brief, but I have asked a question that you could probably give a very long answer to. I will leave it there, but I am interested in how we enable that bottom-up approach.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 30 March 2022

Colin Smyth

I will look at two threats that town centres face. The first is the challenge of online shopping. How can we support town centres that have to face the fact that somebody can sit on their settee at 10 o’clock at night, click their phone a couple of times and have whatever they want delivered to their house the next morning? Why would they need to go into the town centre? How do we deliver more of a level playing field for businesses in our town centres when they are faced with that onslaught from online shopping?

I will leave it at that and come to the second threat in a moment.

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 30 March 2022

Colin Smyth

Is it therefore about the type of retail that we support? You suggest that town centres will never be able to compete with online retailers on some products, so is it about changing the retail offer or enhancing what online companies cannot compete with in town centres?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 30 March 2022

Colin Smyth

I suppose that the other big threat is out-of-town developments. In a previous life, I was a councillor in Dumfries, covering the town centre, and I still have the scars from trying to pursue a town centre first approach. I will give an example. A big retailer in the town centre wanted a development in an out-of-town area. The council dug in its heels and said no, and the retailer pulled out of the town. There was capacity in the town centre, but it was cheaper for the retailer to build a square box in an out-of-town development, so they pulled out. If I am being honest about it, the council got a kicking from residents when the retailer left because the council had tried to protect the town centre.

It seems that the town centre first approach is a good idea, but it is simply not delivering. I know that there is an element of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted, given that there are so many out-of-town developments, but how do we strengthen the town centre first approach? The public quite like out-of-town developments. In addition, what do we do where the issue is not so much that a retailer is developing out of town as that people can get from a great big 24-hour supermarket the products that they used to get on their high street? You cannot build that big supermarket in the town centre—there are options there, but not as many.

If you try to take a town centre first approach, a supermarket is going to say, “There isn’t a site in the town centre for us, so we’re going out of town.” People can then buy their pots and pans, their clothes and everything else there. How do we strengthen the town centre first principle?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 30 March 2022

Colin Smyth

Can I just touch on—

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish National Investment Bank

Meeting date: 16 March 2022

Colin Smyth

However, you are not actively investing in them at the moment. My concern is that the Government has said that the fund is ending and that the matter will land on your desk in a few weeks’ time but, I presume, you do not have plans to invest £13 million in community renewables over the next year, so there is obviously a gap.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish National Investment Bank

Meeting date: 16 March 2022

Colin Smyth

Sticking with the key role of achieving a just transition to net zero, which is one of your main missions, the Government has a fund—the energy investment fund—to support community and commercial renewable energy projects. Are you familiar with it?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 16 March 2022

Colin Smyth

To come back to the issue of jobs in renewables, you said that we are leading the way. Your Government promised 130,000 renewable jobs by 2020, but the ONS figures show that we have a sixth of that number of jobs and that the number is falling. I am keen to know why you think that we are leading the way if we are so far behind your Government’s target for renewable jobs. The trade unions are very concerned about supply chain jobs. What is your new target for renewable jobs if you are so far from delivering the target of 130,000?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish National Investment Bank

Meeting date: 16 March 2022

Colin Smyth

That is an important point.