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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Rona Mackay

I would like to ask a wee bit more about health and mental health, which we have touched on.

Your submission states that

“Discussion on alternatives needs to take place between Health and Justice around the safe and appropriate location of prisoners with mental health issues.”

I am thinking particularly about the number of women prisoners concerned, and you have been very outspoken about that. I read a shocking statistic that 80 per cent of women in prison have brain damage due to domestic abuse. Clearly, prison is no place for them. Can you expand on what you mean by “alternatives” to prison? How can they be achieved, given the current financial pressures?

Secondly, you also said that you approve of

“consideration of a dedicated aged care prison facility”,

which, I presume, is to deal with the number of older prisoners in what is an ageing population. Can you expand on that? In an ideal world, what could be achieved? Realistically, given the financial pressures, what can be achieved?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Rona Mackay

You talked earlier about radical prison reform. Would you see that as a core part of it?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Rona Mackay

A number of third sector agencies do a lot of good work with women, particularly when they are being released from prison.

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Rona Mackay

I would like a wee bit of clarification, too, including on Jamie Greene’s points about other parties, as well as on the timescales. How long will it take to come to a conclusion? It is a wee bit vague.

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Rona Mackay

First of all, an inquiry would cost more money, so are we just going to add to what has already been lost? I am struggling to know what the committee’s purpose is here. Do not get me wrong—I am not disputing what has been said about accountability and all the rest—but, given that this is a complicated issue that goes back a bit and given where we are with it, is there anything that we can usefully add? Those would be my thoughts.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Rona Mackay

It sounds as if you know where you want to go and what you want to do. Is it fair to say that your budgetary concerns are about staff? I know that that is an overview.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Rona Mackay

Is that not when HMP Glasgow is supposed to be up and running?

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Rona Mackay

All of us can get a prescription online quickly or a repeat prescription with a phone call. Is there not some provision that could be made for released offenders to do that as well? As you say, the issue is critical, otherwise people might be left high and dry after five days. We do not have to suffer, as we can get a repeat prescription by going online or phoning, so why would they be excluded from doing that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Rona Mackay

Good morning. I first have a couple of questions for Mr Logue. You gave us good news about the success of the pilots that you described and said that they have helped a lot. If I understand correctly, you said that many of the things that have happened did not require extra funding and seem to be operational matters that have been successful. I therefore struggle to understand why they would be compromised in the sense that you mentioned. I am sorry if that is naive, but I want you to clarify that.

In your earlier statement, you said that things still need to improve, and you have probably covered that in what you said to my colleague Russell Findlay. You said that one of the issues is that your practitioners would not be trauma informed. I am struggling to understand why that would be the case if your current staff have had trauma training. Were you talking about training or incoming staff? Could you please clarify that, too?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Rona Mackay

Does that cost more?