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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Biometrics Commissioner: Draft Code of Practice

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rona Mackay

Good morning, Dr Plastow. I want to pick up on the thread that Jamie Greene and Pauline McNeill have been following, but I also have another question on a different subject.

My first question relates to facial recognition. My colleague Fulton MacGregor will back me up here but, in the previous parliamentary session, the Justice Sub-Committee on Policing took a lot of evidence on facial recognition, particularly with regard to its accuracy. There were, for example, problems with the software recognising people from ethnic backgrounds.

However, I am now a bit confused. Can you clarify your comment to Jamie Greene about the police using retrospective images from previous custodies and so on? Was the new technology, on which the sub-committee took a lot of evidence, just never implemented? Are the police using it or not?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Biometrics Commissioner: Draft Code of Practice

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rona Mackay

But how do you envisage that that will take place?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Biometrics Commissioner: Draft Code of Practice

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rona Mackay

Thank you—that was very helpful.

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Biometrics Commissioner: Draft Code of Practice

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rona Mackay

My next question is on something that I know that you have already talked about and which is in the code of practice, but I would like an answer to go on the record. Can you please set out, in broad terms, the specific legislation to which the code will apply?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Biometrics Commissioner: Draft Code of Practice

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rona Mackay

I apologise if you have covered this and I have missed it, Dr Plastow, but I want to ask about your role. Do you rely on reports coming in to you about people who have or have not broken the code of practice, or do you proactively investigate things?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Biometrics Commissioner: Draft Code of Practice

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rona Mackay

Are you saying that Police Scotland has not used live facial recognition technology?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Biometrics Commissioner: Draft Code of Practice

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rona Mackay

You have kind of answered my next question. If you are dealing only with police and criminal justice matters, they will know the rules, so it might be a bit quiet—the chances of your being swamped with stuff may not be that high. However, in a case where something has happened and it is found that the code has been broken, what is the penalty? Is there a penalty?

11:30  

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rona Mackay

Would the member acknowledge that women’s organisations that support victims of domestic abuse and sexual violence are very supportive of virtual trials?

10:15  

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rona Mackay

Can you clarify what your alternative to fiscal fines is? Are you suggesting that there should be a custodial sentence instead of fiscal fines?

Criminal Justice Committee

Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Rona Mackay

I support Collette Stevenson’s amendments 56 and 57 for the reasons that she has just outlined, which I will not repeat.

I do not think that Jamie Greene’s amendments are necessary, again for the reasons that have been outlined. As I understand it, Mr Greene wants to review the “appropriateness” of a fee, but I do not think that that can be done retrospectively. The fee is very much part of this bill, as is the licensing system. I do not think that we can go back and almost undermine the bill’s purpose and effect. For those reasons, I will not be supporting his amendments.