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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2024
Rona Mackay
Will the member take an intervention?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2024
Rona Mackay
I understand that. Thank you.
It is expected that 70 women out of the 218 who are currently sentenced will be released. Does that mean that the remainder of the women are serving sentences of four years or more, or was that choice made under different criteria?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2024
Rona Mackay
Good morning, and thanks, convener. I will keep my questions brief. Teresa Medhurst talked about children being in Polmont and the capacity that that is blocking. Has secure care been explored as an avenue for those children?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2024
Rona Mackay
I thought that that was the case—that there was a different legal status—but I just wanted to check that. We know that a lot of women are remanded for less serious charges. Without that barrier, it seems that it would be logical to consider the matter.
You talked about community justice disposals being preferable to putting people on remand or sentencing them to a short prison sentence. The justice system and the judiciary are responsible for those decisions. Have they been brought into the scheme? Are they aware of the part that they play in trying to keep our prison population down?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 June 2024
Rona Mackay
Good morning. Yes—I will start with Professor Armstrong, as I know that she has to leave.
My long-standing concern is about the number of women in prison and the number of prisoners who are remanded. At the beginning of the meeting, you stated your concerns about that. There is a long-standing issue. Why do you think, in theory, that that is the case? Is it because there is not enough support? Why are the courts remanding and locking up so many women?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 June 2024
Rona Mackay
Thank you.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 June 2024
Rona Mackay
Kate Wallace, the exchanges that you have had with my colleagues have answered some of my questions. You have said that the onus is on the victim to come and inquire about what support there will be. Do you have any sense of how many victims know that this will be happening in a few weeks’ time?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 June 2024
Rona Mackay
Yes.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 June 2024
Rona Mackay
There are currently 353 women in the system, and 134 of them are on remand. For the record, does the emergency release system affect remand prisoners?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 June 2024
Rona Mackay
Yes, it is not doing anything to tackle the issue in the long term.
Wendy Sinclair-Gieben, I asked Professor Armstrong about the number of women who are being remanded and the number of women in prison and the long-standing issue in that regard. Phil Fairlie might want to answer this, but I will ask you first. Given the number of not just women but people generally on remand who may or may not be guilty—they are not part of this scheme—will there be some resentment among them that prisoners are getting out early when they are not and they have not been found guilty or convicted of anything? Is that a tension, or is that a concern?