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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Rona Mackay
Tracey McFall’s point about the lack of parity between organisations is key to what we are talking about. As has been said, it can work and there are some success stories. Before I move on, I want to pick up a point with Kevin Neary. You have been doing excellent work with ex-offenders for years. On the basis of your experience over all the years that you have been doing that work, do you think that things are getting worse?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Rona Mackay
That is exactly the point that I was going to raise, but, just for context, before I come to that, HMP Low Moss, which is in my constituency has a recovery cafe onsite. It can see 200 prisoners engage in any given week. It says that there are pathways for external referral but a lack of available spaces, so it is kind of working, but we do not have the finished article.
Kevin Neary talked about women in prison, and I am incredibly worried about the number of women in prison and the knock-on effect on families. As Kevin said, most of the women—or a lot of them—have addiction problems and the majority of them have been domestically abused, sexually abused or have mental health conditions. In last week’s evidence session, Kirsten Horsburgh from the Scottish Drugs Forum said that she did not think that prison is the place for people with addiction problems, and I agree with her. She also said that there is definitely an argument for decriminalising drugs. What are your thoughts on her views? Can we reach a consensus on how to deal with this? The status quo is clearly not working, so we need a radical shift in the approach.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Rona Mackay
As Sarah Rogers has articulated, the knock-on effect on children causes even more harm than the original problem. Does anyone else want to come in?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 28 May 2025
Rona Mackay
Thank you for that. Stephen Coyle or Suzy Calder, will you comment on the impact on prison staff of having to deal with this issue and on the impact on other prisoners who do not use drugs but might be affected by it? Do you feel that your front-line staff and NHS healthcare staff have enough training in it?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 28 May 2025
Rona Mackay
That is encouraging to hear. I will quickly go back to Kirsten Horsburgh on the women in prison element. Far too many women who are in prison have addiction and drug problems, and the knock-on effect that that thaton children and families is horrendous. Often, those women are in for relatively minor offences—for example, shoplifting to feed their habit. Are they there because there is a lack of holistic care outwith the Prison Service for them to access?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 28 May 2025
Rona Mackay
I will come in afterwards, please.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 28 May 2025
Rona Mackay
I would like to ask about the impact on prison staff and other prisoners, but, before I do so, I would like to pick up a wee bit on Ben Macpherson’s earlier question. I was really interested in what Kirsten Horsburgh said at the start of our session about not believing that people with drug use or addiction problems should be in prison. I totally agree with that. I am very interested in the issue of women in prison, the majority of whom are there with mental health or addiction problems, and I totally agree that they should not be there. Kirsten also said that she would be in favour of decriminalising drug use, and I want to ask John Mooney whether he agrees with that.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 28 May 2025
Rona Mackay
Is the training keeping up with the changes in drugs as they evolve, so that prison staff are aware of different reactions that could happen? Does that training start right from when staff come into the Prison Service? Is that part of the training module?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 28 May 2025
Rona Mackay
We should be looking at that.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 28 May 2025
Rona Mackay
That was my point. Is the training keeping up with those changes?