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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 September 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting) [Draft]

Tackling Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Clare Haughey

I have another short supplementary question, but I should first declare an interest as someone who holds a bank nurse contract with NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde.

I want to ask about an issue that was raised by the people’s panel—I suppose it comes under the theme of harm reduction—which is GPs being unaware of the MAT standards, which were introduced in 2021. When I went on the Turas website, I saw quite comprehensive learning resources and information, including the package “Working with Substance Use, Trauma and Mental Health—Resources and Training for the Scottish Workforce”. From my reading, that has been there since 2021, and I would be greatly concerned if GPs had not been accessing it. I wonder whether the cabinet secretary could see whether some of the data that sits behind that could be disaggregated, so that we could see who has been accessing it and, if it is shown that GPs have not been accessing it, perhaps work with the chief medical officer to encourage them to do so. The data on the number of people with mental health issues who also have substance misuse issues—and who, indeed, have suffered trauma—is out there, and the fact is that quite comprehensive training is available.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting) [Draft]

Tackling Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Clare Haughey

You also called for MAT standards to

“cover all drugs causing harm”,

not just opiates. Can you tell us more about the evidence that you heard on why that is needed? What difference would that make to the treatment offer?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting) [Draft]

Tackling Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Clare Haughey

Good morning. You have called for all public and third sector services to be

“enabled and supported to share information including the justice system.”

I am mindful that you have said that not everyone has such information to share, so you might want to address that point. Why did you make that recommendation? What needs to be done to support that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Clare Haughey

I call Brian Whittle.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Clare Haughey

Joe FitzPatrick has a supplementary question.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Clare Haughey

I thank Mr McArthur for his extensive evidence. I know that it has taken quite a substantial amount of time—more than we had anticipated—but the committee has certainly been able to ask the questions that were presented as a result of previous evidence.

I thank you and your witnesses, Mr McArthur. That concludes the public part of today’s meeting.

12:41 Meeting continued in private until 13:05.  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Clare Haughey

I have a couple of questions in relation to court involvement. The bill before the UK Parliament makes provision for all assisted dying applications to be considered by the High Court for England and Wales. Court involvement was seen as an additional protection by some of the respondents to this committee’s call for views. Was that something that you considered?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Clare Haughey

I have a point for clarification. I asked the cabinet secretary to clarify this last week, when he spoke about figures of just over £6 million on the basis of training 50 per cent of doctors, taking into account those who might wish to opt out of the scheme. Your figures are based purely on medical staff. They do not take into account pharmacy or nursing staff or any other allied health professional.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Clare Haughey

As we are only halfway through our questioning, I will briefly suspend the meeting for a comfort break.

11:23 Meeting suspended.  

11:31 On resuming—  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Clare Haughey

Welcome back. We will continue to take evidence from Liam McArthur and his accompanying witnesses. I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests, which states that I am employed as a bank nurse by NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde.

I would like to explore a couple of issues with you, Mr McArthur, starting with conscientious objection. We have heard various arguments and questions at committee in relation to the conscientious objection clause in the bill, who it includes and what the clause extends to. Section 18(1) of the bill sets out that no one is

“under any duty ... to participate in anything authorised”

under the bill, if they have

“a conscientious objection”

to doing so. The bill does not prescribe to whom the conscientious objection would apply, but the policy memorandum indicates that it is intended to apply to doctors and other health care professionals who are involved in the process. There is some argument that the clause replicates a provision in the Abortion Act 1967 and is therefore likely to be interpreted in the same way by the courts. That would mean that the objection clause might extend only to those people who are directly involved in the process of assessing, prescribing and providing assistance. Could you perhaps clarify your thinking around that and who you envisage that the conscious objection clause would apply to?