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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 May 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Clare Haughey

We will come to questions on that later. If we do not cover that, I will be happy to come back to you.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Clare Haughey

Good morning, and welcome to the fourth meeting in 2025 of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee.

The first item on our agenda today is to take evidence as part of the committee’s scrutiny of the Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill at stage 1 from the member in charge of the bill, Liam McArthur MSP. I welcome Liam McArthur, who is joined by Claudia Bennett, a senior solicitor in legal services at the Scottish Parliament; Nick Hawthorne, who is a senior clerk in the non-Government bills unit of the Scottish Parliament; and Dr Amanda Ward, who is adviser to Liam McArthur.

Before we move to questions, I invite Mr McArthur to make a brief opening statement.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Clare Haughey

Okay, but the financial memorandum did not include any other profession that might be involved in the care of someone who was accessing assisted dying.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Clare Haughey

The status of assisted dying as a reasonable treatment option in Scotland is unclear and there have been calls for that to be addressed directly in the bill. If assisted dying is considered to be a reasonable treatment option, doctors would have a duty to discuss it with patients in appropriate situations, regardless of any conscientious objection to the practice that they might have. How do you respond to that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Clare Haughey

I call Brian Whittle.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Clare Haughey

Joe FitzPatrick has a supplementary question.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Clare Haughey

I thank Mr McArthur for his extensive evidence. I know that it has taken quite a substantial amount of time—more than we had anticipated—but the committee has certainly been able to ask the questions that were presented as a result of previous evidence.

I thank you and your witnesses, Mr McArthur. That concludes the public part of today’s meeting.

12:41 Meeting continued in private until 13:05.  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Clare Haughey

I have a couple of questions in relation to court involvement. The bill before the UK Parliament makes provision for all assisted dying applications to be considered by the High Court for England and Wales. Court involvement was seen as an additional protection by some of the respondents to this committee’s call for views. Was that something that you considered?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Clare Haughey

I have a point for clarification. I asked the cabinet secretary to clarify this last week, when he spoke about figures of just over £6 million on the basis of training 50 per cent of doctors, taking into account those who might wish to opt out of the scheme. Your figures are based purely on medical staff. They do not take into account pharmacy or nursing staff or any other allied health professional.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Clare Haughey

I want to go back to the financial memorandum on a point of clarity. The Government has looked at training time and costs in comparison with Mr McArthur’s financial memorandum, and your response to Emma Harper’s question was that you anticipate that, if the bill were passed, some pre-registration training would replace the training that would initially be needed as the bill was coming in. Would there be any scope to factor in costings for updates? What you learn pre-reg does not necessarily translate to something that you are doing in clinical practice five, 10 or 15 years down the line.