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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Such matters will be discussed in relation to the amendments that are lodged. As I have made clear to the convener, we will look to engage with committee members across the Parliament on that basis.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Jenny Gilruth

In my opening remarks I spoke about a number of board appointments—five were made late last year. I referred to Ms Rogers as the new chair, but I accept the convener’s point that she was appointed in December 2023 and so is perhaps not so “new” any more. Fresh leadership was brought in at that time, and we will look at further appointments as part of the upcoming recruitment process.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Along with the chair, the five people who were appointed in November will transition.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Jenny Gilruth

And this—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Jenny Gilruth

We would have to reflect on that, and I would have to take advice on an alternative recruitment process.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I do not have anything further to add to Nico McKenzie-Juetten’s comments on that aspect.

I heard what Miles Briggs asked about stage 3—Pam Duncan-Glancy made that point earlier. I go back to Clare Hicks’s point that we would not seek to begin the recruitment round until we had certainty on any such amendments, because we would not be able to make appointments to a board without listening to the Parliament in relation to the amendments that the Government will accept. We have to reflect that in the recruitment process, but my concern as cabinet secretary is that if we sit still—this is predicated on the advice that my officials have given me—we risk not having board appointments in place for the new operational qualifications Scotland. I do not think that that will be credible to Scotland’s teachers or to pupils and their parents. It is therefore imperative that we have the board appointments in place.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I do not accept the assertion that Mr Briggs made in his final point. Of course, purely on the basis of the numbers, in a Parliament of minorities, the Government must listen to the views of Opposition parties. However, I want to have cross-party support for the bill, because that will strengthen the way in which our qualifications offer works. I have met Mr Briggs privately and I have met other members of the committee to talk about their interests in relation to amendments. I am very keen to deliver on that.

Again, I go back to the inherent risk of our not agreeing the order today, which would in essence mean a delay to the board appointment process. That concerns me, because the legislation is key to delivering all that the Parliament has asked the Government to deliver on on education reform. We can sit still if that is the committee’s view as to what we should do, but it will delay the process and there is inherent risk in that approach. It is, of course, a matter for the committee to decide on.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I am not, but I will defer to Clare Hicks and Nico.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I very much agree with Mr Brown’s sentiments, particularly in relation to the ethical processes that are required to be adhered to. That relates back to Mr Greer’s point about the running of a truncated approach to recruitment, which might not lead to some of the positions being regulated. I imagine that that would lead to the Government being pilloried and challenged, as Mr Brown suggested, because we had not followed due process. I agree with the sentiments behind Mr Brown’s question.