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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

No, I am talking about your suggestion that I had said that the EIS had not prioritised the issue. That is not the point that I was making—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

That is a good question. If I get this wrong, the GTCS will tell me, but you need a certain number of credits from your undergraduate degree to teach national qualifications subjects. I will use myself as an example. When I was at university, I studied a little bit of history, but I did not quite have enough credits to teach history. I went to my then employer, the City of Edinburgh Council, which part-funded me—I funded the rest—to obtain credits via the Open University so that I could go on to get accreditation from the GTCS to teach history. There are ways in which teachers can work with their local authority to do that.

Many teachers might already have the right number of credits from their undergraduate or BEd qualification to teach in secondary, but those need to sit alongside the accreditation that the GTCS offers—essentially, it comes in and provides that. It is important that the GTCS is there as the regulator. Many countries do not have a GTCS equivalent, so we are very lucky to have that in Scotland.

The GTCS has a key role to play. Officials are looking at options for us to consider whether, through future funding, there are ways in which we can support accreditation to get more teachers into secondary. As the committee knows, we have an oversupply of primary teachers and subject gaps in secondary. We should be able to find a route through that, but we should also recognise the need for people to have the appropriate qualifications.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

There was acceptance across the piece that there is an issue and that we need a long-term solution to it. Ms Don-Innes has set out the work that we will publish in the spring. That will give us—or the next Government, I should say—an opportunity to look at how we might resolve the inequity that has grown in relation to the issues that Mr Rennie has raised.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

The Parliamentary Bureau considers statement requests. In due course—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

I am going to talk about what has happened in the school capital estate, because we have made remarkable progress in improving its quality. When Mr O’Kane’s party was last in power, about 61 or 62 per cent of schools were in good or satisfactory condition. Today, it is more than 92 per cent, so we have dramatically transformed the quality of the school estate by prioritising that investment.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

They are not here today. I am sure that you will hear from them. We will continue our engagement with local government. We need to continue that engagement, of course, for good reason and for some of the reasons that Mr O’Kane sets out.

I am particularly mindful of the money that I am protecting for teacher numbers and for ASN in our engagement with local government. Mr O’Kane will recall that that funding was released last year, with an agreement from local government that there would be meaningful progress on reducing class contact time, but I am afraid that we have not been able to deliver that in the past year. It is important that we work with local government for the reasons that Mr O’Kane sets out, because that is the way in which Scottish education is currently delivered.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

Look, we will continue our engagement with local government colleagues—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

No one wants to see that. I point to the work that I undertook last year with Ms Robison and Mr Gray, which was a cross-portfolio approach to engaging with local government on the issues. I very much look forward to continued engagement this year, because we need to get a resolution with local government in relation to the funding of services, for all the reasons that you rightly set out.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

Yes. We have an improving picture in relation to our pupil teacher ratio. It is coming down, which is good, and that is because of the investments. We have had an increase in teacher numbers this year, as I mentioned to Mr Rennie earlier. Teacher numbers have increased in the past year by 63. I would like it to have been more, but that has improved the pupil teacher ratio and it has led to smaller class sizes in our primary schools, which is certainly to be welcomed. That has happened only as a result of us protecting funding through the budget for teacher numbers and ASN to allow local authorities to employ more staff in our schools to bring the PTR down. That has been fundamental to creating learning environments in which our young people feel supported.

When we think about the challenges in our schools, whether on attendance, behaviour or ASN, the PTR is really important. The school that I spoke about earlier, where the mums have their group, employs an extra teacher whose role involves taking out small groups of pupils to support them on additional support needs. She takes smaller groups of three or four pupils out of class to give them targeted interventions and support.

There are lots of creative ways in which the PEF approach can adapt, and it is also helping with lowering the overall PTR, which Mr Adam asked about.