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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 October 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ivan McKee

I have seen those numbers.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ivan McKee

Okay, so, when people say that there are fewer people, that is not correct.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ivan McKee

This is 2023, not 2009.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Group

Meeting date: 21 September 2023

Ivan McKee

There is clearly a need for the group, and it is clear that Karen Adam has thought about the different aspects and understands what is required, so I am supportive of the group.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ivan McKee

That is helpful—thank you. I knew that there must have been something there. Perhaps you or your colleagues can come back to the committee with more granularity on that. If possible, could you put numbers on the policy changes or reclassification changes, so that we can fill that out?

My next question was going to be about why the workforce figure for Dundee is down 2 per cent, when South Lanarkshire is up 5 per cent and Glasgow is up 28 per cent. However, you have answered that. It is about the reclassification of ALEOs—I was not aware that they were previously not included in the figures.

As I said, I want to explore further the points that Robert Emmott made about opportunities for improvement, removal of duplication, collaboration between councils on back-office services and duplication in the wider public sector, including, frankly, Government directorates. Is there overlap and duplication there or with other agencies? What is happening in that space? Are you comfortable that we have robust enough mechanisms to be able to share best practice, collaborate, understand and drive that as a way of working rather than that being something that we do exceptionally and when under pressure?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ivan McKee

Okay. Perhaps the head count has gone somewhere else. Johanna, do you have any comments to make?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ivan McKee

Absolutely—that is good.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ivan McKee

Good morning. My first question follows up on the matters that I asked the previous panel about. I am trying to get some insight on the macro numbers. I would then like to move on quickly and explore some of the stuff that Robert Emmott talked about on continuous improvement, opportunities for innovation and so on.

If you can cast any light on those macro numbers, that would be helpful.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ivan McKee

That might help to clarify things, and you are right to say that there is clearly some work to be done to dig into the detail. I just thought it illuminating that the data shows a very different picture from the narrative.

I have a supplementary, convener, but it can wait until the next panels.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ivan McKee

I just want to clarify that those numbers did include police and fire—30,000 of that reduction arose from their recategorisation. At the moment, we are at 262,000, so we can see that over the past five or 10 years, the number has gone up quite significantly. It is a different story if you go back to 2006, but we are talking about the pressures today. If we are talking about things that happened nearly 20 years ago, that is obviously a different conversation.