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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 October 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

There are four industry experts in the room. I was hoping that one of you at least might have some data. Does anyone else want to comment?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

The question I am asking you is about—

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

I have a brief question about that data point of 16 per cent. Has that number gone up or gone down since the introduction of MUP?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

I understand what it is trying to tell us, and thanks for laying that out—

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

—but it would just be nice to know what the numbers mean. It would be helpful if you could dig out that information. It would also be nice to know whether there is any data since then—I think that you said that the data in the graph goes up only to 2007. Anything beyond that, for the past 15 years or so, would be really helpful to see.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

That is interesting. You will have seen our first agenda item this morning, which was on upgrading social care payments. That is done by a percentage increase, and the process is relatively painless.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

I am assuming that the left-hand side is units of alcohol per person per year, but what do the numbers on the right-hand side relate to?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Good morning. I just want to dig a bit deeper into the question that Dr Gulhane asked about revenue and where it is going. Maybe “concerned” is too strong a word, but I am perplexed as to why we do not have better data. The estimates of the additional revenue that has been flowing into the system range widely, as Dr Gulhane said, from £30-odd million to £300-odd million per year. I thought that the sector would have a better handle on the numbers.

I absolutely take the point that has been made that the whole point is to reduce consumption, so if you double the price but sell half as much, the revenue does not go up at all. It is quite clearly possible that there has not been any extra revenue, but it could be quite significant, based on those numbers.

As was rightly said, the profit calculation is even more complicated because of the various layers within the supply chain and what they charge each other. Again, common sense says that if you are selling less, the unit price and the cost of producing, distributing and selling will increase.

I am just throwing this out there. Does anybody on the panel have any reliable data that we can talk about and put on the record about money that has additionally been coming through retailers and where it may have ended up?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Of economic activity?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

If I may, I will come back on that very briefly, convener.

You are absolutely right, and of course I understand that those are all factors. The point that I am trying to make is that we have already established through earlier questions that you do not have the data to understand where the revenue and the profit are, where they are flowing up and down the supply chain and what the impact on volume and revenue has been. Without that data to back it up, I am struggling to understand how such a strong case is being made that this is a bad thing for retailers. It may well be a good thing, depending on exactly what the numbers are that nobody seems to know.