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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 October 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Thank you for that point about terminology.

It would be good to get your views and the views of others on the panel as to whether the information that is provided in the clinics reflects that balanced view. Are options presented and is there counselling and other support as part of the process? What is your perspective on that issue, which is another point that we have heard about in private sessions?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Great—thank you very much. We can connect with you later about this, but from the committee’s point of view, it would be helpful to get some data sources, as we have had different perspectives on this issue in some of our sessions and it would be good to get our hands on some specific articles.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Thank you very much for that clarification.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Thank you.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Ivan McKee

I was going to cite that case, plus some others. One of the earlier witnesses cited protests at Dungavel, which relate to the same issue as PE2049 but from the opposite perspective. Faslane protests have been cited. We have protests against arms manufacturers outside places of work in the context of the Israel-Gaza conflict.

Questions have already been aired about the scope for the bill to catch protests against cuts to health services—I have protested outside hospitals, where I have argued against closures—or malpractice. Even ministerial visits have been cited as a legitimate reason for protesting outside healthcare facilities. The UK legislation, if I understand it correctly—some of the witnesses are lawyers and I am not—was in the context of broader legislation on protest.

I ask the witnesses to reflect on some of that to give us more comfort, or not, about the scope for scope creep.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Does anyone joining us online want to comment on the issue? If not, I will move on.

If the bill is passed and protesting outside clinics is made illegal, how will that impact on the individuals who take part in those protests? We heard some evidence in private on that, and I am keen to hear your perspectives.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Ivan McKee

That is hugely helpful, thank you.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Eilidh—is there anything you want to say?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Ivan McKee

An issue that we heard evidence on this morning and previously is that of silent prayer. I am bearing in mind the Northern Ireland experience and the Supreme Court ruling, but I am also taking on board the evidence that we heard this morning—which I am sure that you heard—about the woman who was arrested for praying silently, with no visible signage or anything to connect her to any protest, and the interaction that took place with the police. We have taken evidence from Police Scotland on that. I do not know to what extent you can comment on individual cases, but perhaps you can respond in the generality. Is there a danger that, although a ruling may say one thing, when something is implemented on the ground, it ends up being in a different place? Do you have any other comments on the pertinent issue of the right to silent prayer, the ECHR rights on that and how that applies in the legislation and the Supreme Court ruling?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Likewise, as politicians, we are in the influencing business.