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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

I understand that, but the point that I am making is—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

It is an on-going process. It is kicking off as part of the budget process, with the initial work on it starting in the summer but, if we do things properly, continuous improvement does not stop.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

When you parse the matter out, it is clear that we—and I as the minister leading this work—are absolutely responsible for the public sector reform piece and Government bodies. On the creation of new commissioners, where I think that a lot of the concern lies, the Government has a significant role to play. In most cases, such things do not go through Parliament—at least, not if the Government is not opposed to them. In that respect, the Government absolutely has a role in taking a view on that side of things.

If the review of what we do with the seven existing commissioners were to be carried out, the Government would be supportive of that, but it would not be helpful for us to be involved in it, because the commissioners are parliamentary bodies. The committee might be best placed to take that forward.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Okay. Are you saying that the committees should not monitor the work of the commissioner?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

It is not up to me to tell committees or the Parliament how to run their affairs. I am just saying, from the outside—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Yes, it is.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Of course it is.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Are you saying that you do not think that there is a need for the commissioner?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Clearly, scrutiny is an important part of the work that the commissioner would do. The Parliament would carry out such scrutiny if it involved an SPCB body that had been created under its sponsorship. It is right that that is where it is done. As I have said, the resourcing conversation, which would be similar to that with every other public body, everywhere else that the Government spends its money, would happen through the budgeting process. The Parliament would make its case, and there would be a conversation there.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

I do not accept that. Looking through a different lens, if we had the Government marking its own homework on some of this stuff, you would rightly be more upset. I think that Parliament absolutely has a role to play. As I said, there is a conversation about resourcing, and there is a place for that conversation to take place.