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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 May 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Ivan McKee

I welcome the witnesses. Thank you for your open dialogue and your wide-ranging input on this important subject.

Professor Tomkins, I was quite taken by your outlining, in your introduction, the role of the Parliament and its three functions. That is a very helpful way to think about it.

I take issue with you slightly on one aspect, however, which I would like to explore a wee bit more. I think that you both said that the role of a committee is not to debate issues. I understand what you mean with regard to members having an opportunity to grandstand and make political points. However, there is perhaps an issue around the role of committees in allowing issues to be raised that would otherwise not be raised. I would like to get your reflections on that. The Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee is one structural manifestation of that, but the opportunity arises in all committees. I am taken by the fact that, when I encounter people outside Parliament who are coming to give evidence to a committee, the fact that they are engaging with the process in that way is a big deal for them.

As a follow-on from that—this is perhaps quite an existential question—what is the outcome of that process? Is it just that people come in and make their views known to a committee in evidence, as part of an inquiry or whatever, and that does not necessarily go anywhere? I go back to the point that Annie Wells made about legacy reports. When I came back to committees after a five-year absence as a minister, I thought, “Oh, you’re still talking about the same things you were talking about five years ago. The same people are coming in and we’re asking the same questions, so what’s actually changed?” I suppose that my question is, what changes as a consequence of that process?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Ivan McKee

My final question—Johann Lamont has already commented on this—is on elected conveners. What are your thoughts on that idea?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Thank you for clarifying that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Good morning, panel. Thanks very much for coming along to share your thoughts with us.

I want to focus on the aspects of the bill that will create criminal offences, and specifically on the approach of prohibiting behaviours rather than specific activities. I would like to get your perspective on that and your sense of how that would work. Do you have any concerns about that, or do you think that that is the right approach? Those sections of the bill also provide for penalties for people who breach the legislation. What is your perspective on that?

I will open up those questions to anyone who wants to come in.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ivan McKee

That is a helpful clarification. I have one other question to ask. You may or may not want to give any details on this, but one of the things that has been mentioned a number of times this morning in relation to behaviours and impact is inaccurate medical information being given out. Do you want to share any examples of that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Thank you for your interesting research on the issue. I have a couple of questions about impact. You mentioned a couple of legal cases that have been unsuccessful. Are you aware of any legal challenges that have been successful?

Where legislation is in place, have there been convictions or have charges been brought? You are looking at the issue globally, and some jurisdictions are very different; I am interested in your perspective on jurisdictions such as Ireland that are more similar to Scotland. I also have a follow-up question on the UK legislation.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Yes.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ivan McKee

That is fine. I suppose that it is too early to say how such charges progress, if and when they are brought, with regard to giving some clarity on what behaviours are or are not acceptable or fall within the legislation.

My other questions follow up on the point about the UK legislation. If I understand it correctly, the provisions for abortion zones in that legislation are couched in terms of broader zones in relation to other protest activities. Is that correct? That might include people who are protesting outside workplaces because they are not happy about what is manufactured there, people who are protesting outside other facilities because they are not happy about something that is happening in a specific area, or other forms of political protest. Is that how the UK legislation is framed?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ivan McKee

No—that is fine. If I understand it correctly, that legislation makes a clear distinction between other protests and abortion zone provisions. Is that correct?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Information Commissioner

Meeting date: 22 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Right—so that is excluded from the cost calculation.