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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 October 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

We expect the Parliament and its committees to be able to do their jobs.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

I do not think that that is the case. I think that the process of holding ministers and Government to account through scrutiny processes in Parliament and elsewhere is hugely important, and I do not think that establishing a commissioner post is a method of diverting that scrutiny. I do not see that at all.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

The committee has unpicked the existing commissioner structure in its evidence sessions. Different commissioners fulfil different roles. The Scottish Public Services Ombudsman is almost as big as everything else in the commissioner landscape put together. Everyone knows what the ombudsman does and I meet constituents all the time who have used the ombudsman. It is for the committee to take a view on how effective that has been, but the ombudsman has a profile and does a well recognised job.

Then we have the Scottish Information Commissioner and the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland. They are—for very good reasons—clearly independent of Government. They play an important role in monitoring and providing processes for issues that are to do with information management, transparency and ethics. They play an effective role in doing that.

You can go through the rest of the seven to consider how effective they are perceived to be. However, I think that the important point that is behind the question is that there is a feeling that we need more commissioners because groups feel that more advocacy needs to be done on their behalf. Advocacy is very different to the role that is played by the commissioners that I have mentioned already, which are the biggest part of the commissioner landscape and play an important role that is clearly different from those who look at public service delivery or who play an advocacy role. It comes back to the point that advocacy groups probably would not be doing their job properly if they were not asking for a commissioner, so the fact that they are asking for one, alongside all the other things that they advocate for, is not necessarily an indication that things are failing.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

The proposals for those commissioners are yet to go through the ministerial control framework.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

First, you have to be clear about the distinction between the role of the Government and the role of the Parliament and its committee structure, which you understand better than anyone.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

I am not an expert on the Parliament’s structure. I think that the SPCB was of the view, frankly, that its job was to execute what it was told to execute by Parliament. I can understand that position. The committee, the SPCB and other parliamentary bodies would need to work that out between them, but there are a number of ways in which you could do that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

That would be an interesting conversation. As I have said several times, as the minister in charge of public sector reform, ones of my roles, through the ministerial control framework, is to assess robustly proposals for any new commissioners, with a view to understanding whether those are absolutely necessary. Clearly, I do not want to make a commitment, because it relates to part of the current legislative programme, in that a bill is going through Parliament. This is a hypothetical scenario that involves many other elements, of which a commissioner is part. Everybody agrees that we need a commissioner to do that, so that is a specific situation. We would not want to stop a whole legislative programme on the back of waiting for a review. In principle, though, I absolutely adhere to the concepts of having no new public bodies, and of robustly assessing any proposals for them that emerge. I would welcome any review from the committee in that regard.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

For existing public bodies, we are embarking on a process in order to understand where there is duplication and how effective bodies are on a portfolio-by-portfolio basis. Through our meetings with cabinet secretaries as part of the budget review process, we are trying to understand where there is scope for addressing the complicated public sector landscape. That applies to the 130-odd public sector bodies. It is very important that I repeat that it is for Parliament to decide how it wants to review the seven commissioners, although the Government is very willing and keen to provide support where it can.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

That is for the Parliament, the SPCB and the committee structure.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Distinction about where that responsibility lies is important. If those bodies are there in part to scrutinise the work of the Government, and the Government took responsibility for scrutinising the bodies, we end up in a place—