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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Ivan McKee

To be clear, I assume that data is available on alcohol consumption rates in Scotland versus the rest of the UK. What does that show for young people?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Ivan McKee

I have some specific questions, but I just want to go back to a couple of things about facts and modelling, so that we can get your responses on the record. It is my understanding that the analysis has been based on facts and statistics but also addresses a counterfactual, because of other variables in the mix. It would therefore be incorrect to say that it is not based on facts. Is that the correct analysis?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Thank you.

Moving on to the second point that I want to touch on, I wonder whether you will clarify something for me. Maybe I missed this, but I want to be clear about it. As far as uprating is concerned, your options are to come back in a year—or in two or three years—with a similar process to the one that we are in today, and talk about the next hike, or to put in place a process for automatic uprating. Would primary legislation be required for the latter? What would need to be done legislatively to prevent you from having to come back every year or two to work through the process again?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Of course, we are talking about increasing the price, but the reality is that we are just standing still. A decision not to increase it is, in real money, a decision to reduce it. It is important to recognise that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Ivan McKee

So, the data is based on facts, with a robust statistical analysis to isolate the different variables.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Okay, so that would also be an automatic process.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Ivan McKee

“Automatic” means that you would not have to come back here every year and argue for another 5p or 10p. It would just happen.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Ivan McKee

And that view was based on the situation in 2018, not in 2012, when the 50p price was first proposed.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Next, I want to focus on the points that Paul Sweeney made. The public health supplement applied before minimum unit pricing, so it is important to separate the two; they were not dependent on one another, although they are potentially related. Something that has danced around us in the evidence sessions and that we have struggled to get our arms around is whether retailers or producers have seen an increase in revenues as a consequence of MUP. We heard in evidence from cider producers that there was an increase of 300 per cent or thereabouts in the retail price of their product, but an 80 per cent reduction in the volume of sales. That would suggest that they have seen, perhaps, a 20 per cent reduction—not an increase—in retail revenues, because the reduction in the volume sold has outweighed any increase in price.

Do you have any data on that, other than what we have managed to piece together through that evidence? I would expect His Majesty’s Revenue and Customs to have some pretty robust data on that, even if the industry itself is unable to provide us with anything. Do you have data on that so that we can put the issue to bed once and for all?

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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Ivan McKee

On the different products, yes. If you get anything, it would be helpful if you could give to us, so that we can put the issue to bed. Do you have any other data on this?