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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

Ivan McKee

That is very helpful and lays out clearly a very important perspective.

Do any other witnesses have perspectives that they would like to share? Does anyone want to come in online?

I also want to ask about the issue of dual mandates. MSPs can hold another office as a councillor or as an MP. I would like to hear the panel’s views on how appropriate dual mandates are. Does Alice Kinghorn-Gray want to kick off on that?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Ivan McKee

I will do my best.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Thank you. That is helpful. Who should make that call? Should there be wording that specifies what would need to pertain relating to public safety or whatever? What are your thoughts on that?

You also said that a longer postponement would be more helpful and effective than a shorter one, but there are other issues to consider. We have heard evidence about what would happen to postal votes, the electoral register and the timescale. A range of things would get worse with a longer postponement. What is your reflection on that?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Ivan McKee

That is useful. Is there a requirement to specify rules on that, whether in the bill or in guidance, or is it sufficient to have on the shelf a manual that people might or might not refer to? I am thinking through a scenario in which difficult decisions would need to be made that might end up having a political slant—around postal votes that had already been cast, or on what would happen if somebody had spent most of their money and somebody else had spent hardly any because they were going to spend it in the second half of the campaign, for example. Would the counter be reset? Is there a need to nail that stuff down at this stage, so that people would not spend a lot of time having a big bun fight, if such a scenario were to transpire?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Ivan McKee

That is very helpful. Thank you for clarifying that.

Technology is clearly moving on apace. I assume that you use tools for number crunching. Has any thought been given to use of—I dread to say it—artificial intelligence to analyse all the possible options and to do some optimisation, in order to give you a bit of a head start? Reviewing boundaries is, at one level, a very big and complicated mathematical problem, when we take into account all the factors that you mentioned.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Thank you, convener. Good morning, witnesses.

My question is about the provisions for postponement of elections in emergency situations. We have obviously had the Covid experience, which brought the matter into sharp focus. I want to hear your perspective on the need for, and desirability of, a provision to postpone elections, when that should happen and what issues it might raise for voters, campaigners or others.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Absolutely.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Maybe not.

My questions are about the process that you go through in order to decide what the boundaries should be. You can explain that for the record if you want, but I assume that it is all laid out in statute, guidance and so on.

Clearly, population drift, how you adjust for it and the limits within which you take account of that with regard to the numbers on the electoral roll, is an issue.

Do you take other factors into account, and, if so, how? One factor could be community, however you define it. Stability might be another factor, because clearly the relationships between an elected member and their constituents in local groups, schools and wherever else are built up over time and are important. Therefore, constantly making significant changes to boundaries would probably be unhelpful for everyone.

Another factor might be alignment with local government wards, in particular. For example, one ward being spread across three or four constituencies—or vice versa—would not be optimal.

Will you give me a sense of what the requirement is as laid out in statute, and in terms of your rules and guidance? How do you ensure that those issues are taken due account of in the process?

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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Just for clarity, when you say “local authorities”, are you referring to local authority boundaries or local authority ward boundaries?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Ivan McKee

So not the ward boundaries. I understand.