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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

Absolutely.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

Given that ministers are held accountable for that to the Parliament and the public, and were elected to do so, it is important that ministers are able to have an influence. If we end up in a place in which performance is not where it should be, it is important that ministers are able to engage proactively with a public body to ensure that we can resolve the situation.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

It is questions in the chamber from you, Mr Fraser.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

Who was that evidence taken from?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

The answer is yes, in the sense that we are always looking for opportunities or examples of where that is the case. When I meet cabinet secretaries, I always ask to what extent they are considering the bodies under their portfolio, whether there are overlaps and whether there is scope for consolidation.

Another interesting point concerns overlaps between different portfolios. We tend to consider things in the portfolio space, but we can also ask what specific expertise a body brings to the public sector landscape. The body might have expertise in doing something that cuts across portfolios, such as making payments, gathering revenue or a specific function such as standard setting. We are also in the business of looking for opportunities where we can capitalise on the expertise that is out there and that public bodies can offer as a service to other public bodies, which means either that those other public bodies do not need to do it or that we can consolidate.

There is a job for Government there, and very much a job for public sector leaders. Nobody knows everything about all the 130-odd public bodies and what they are all doing, or what different people in different bits of those bodies are doing. There is absolutely a role for public sector leaders to engage, and many of them are very proactive in that space.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

That is up to the Parliament, if it wants to make that case. Are you referring to capacity in terms of the number of MSPs or committees, or the amount of time that committees spend on specific things? In what sense are you talking about capacity?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

No—it is up to the Parliament to figure out what it needs to do.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

The officials can correct me if I am wrong, but I suppose that if the organisation employs staff, has a building and a budget, is spending money and has accounts, it can clearly be audited as an entity. If we are talking about an inspector or a group that does not have that back-office support—its support is provided by the Government—and does not run its own budget line per se, that will be consolidated in the Government accounts and the process will be different. That would be the determining factor as to which category the body would sit in, but the level of scrutiny through whatever route should be just as effective.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

Not specifically with regard to audit, but more generally with regard to reporting requirements and information gathering. We are working through the public sector reform strategy with public bodies to see whether there are opportunities to make the requirements more proportionate and effective and to ensure that we are gathering the right information and checking the right things in order to make a difference, not just collecting information for the sake of it or going through processes that add cost but no value.

If there are any examples of audit falling into that category, I will be willing to look at them. However, we need to bear it in mind that audit has, for very good reasons, its own regime in terms of the legal processes that we need to go through: what we need to check, why we need to check it and how we need to do it.

Do you want to add anything, Aileen?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

Well, those working in the relevant portfolio—such as communities, equalities or whatever—would obviously have a close relationship with those bodies, as well as with relevant stakeholders, which would allow them to take a view. The matter that you raise is not something that I am personally aware of. If there is a specific issue, we can check in with the relevant portfolio and write back to you.