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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

When you parse the matter out, it is clear that we—and I as the minister leading this work—are absolutely responsible for the public sector reform piece and Government bodies. On the creation of new commissioners, where I think that a lot of the concern lies, the Government has a significant role to play. In most cases, such things do not go through Parliament—at least, not if the Government is not opposed to them. In that respect, the Government absolutely has a role in taking a view on that side of things.

If the review of what we do with the seven existing commissioners were to be carried out, the Government would be supportive of that, but it would not be helpful for us to be involved in it, because the commissioners are parliamentary bodies. The committee might be best placed to take that forward.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Okay. Are you saying that the committees should not monitor the work of the commissioner?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

It is not up to me to tell committees or the Parliament how to run their affairs. I am just saying, from the outside—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Yes, it is.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Of course it is.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Are you saying that you do not think that there is a need for the commissioner?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Clearly, scrutiny is an important part of the work that the commissioner would do. The Parliament would carry out such scrutiny if it involved an SPCB body that had been created under its sponsorship. It is right that that is where it is done. As I have said, the resourcing conversation, which would be similar to that with every other public body, everywhere else that the Government spends its money, would happen through the budgeting process. The Parliament would make its case, and there would be a conversation there.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

I do not accept that. Looking through a different lens, if we had the Government marking its own homework on some of this stuff, you would rightly be more upset. I think that Parliament absolutely has a role to play. As I said, there is a conversation about resourcing, and there is a place for that conversation to take place.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

There are a few different issues there. On the scrutiny role, the Government wading in and saying that it wanted to hold commissioners to account would clearly not be acceptable, and the Government would not want to do that. Likewise, the Government saying that there should not be certain commissioners could be deemed as straying into that territory.

The creation of commissioners is a different issue. Although it would be the Parliament that would pass any legislation that created a new commissioner, the Government has a significant input into that in terms of both the position that it takes and, even with a minority Government, the weight that it holds in relation to whether legislation is passed by the Parliament. The Government absolutely has a role to play in its assessment of whether new commissioners are required and how they would fit into the broader public sector landscape. That is part of the work that I am taking forward, and it is key.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

As I said, for the ones that have been set up, it is not the Government’s role to stray into the territory of scrutinising the work of bodies that are set up and sponsored by the Parliament and the SPCB.