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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Not at all.

My focus, as the committee would expect, is on where we can save hundreds of millions. Frankly, we could shut down all the commissioners tomorrow and it would save us only £18 million. It is a drop in the ocean in terms of the task ahead of us with regard to assessing efficiency across the wider public sector landscape.

However, that does not mean that I do not think that it is an important issue and that it is important that robust controls are in place to review new proposals. I will be taking that very seriously in order to address and challenge whether there is a need for new commissioners through the ministerial control framework.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Are you asking about my perspective?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

As I say, it is not a limited body. We have already talked about the budget process. In the case of the commissioners, there is an additional cost of £500,000. That will be part of the conversation around how much of an increase in its £140 million budget the Parliament needs to support and carry out that function. There are seven commissioners—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

When a new commissioner is created, clearly that budget would be passed through the Parliament.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

I am sorry, but could you restate your question, so that I can make sure that you picked me up correctly?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

As I have said, the ministerial control framework is in place. Any proposed public body would go through that process and be subject to a robust assessment of why we needed it. The presumption is that no more public bodies are to be created—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

—unless there is a strong case for doing so. Frankly, we would want to consider the scope for having fewer public bodies.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Even where it is not the Government’s proposal, it will have significant input. At the end of the day, the Government, even if it is a minority in Parliament, holds sway over whether a bill goes through Parliament.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

It is not the Government’s role to say what commissioners there should or should not be, or to review the situation.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

That is a good question. Looking at the landscape, we see that there is a wide range of different bodies. The Auditor General for Scotland, for instance, is very much independent of Government, and rightly so—and the role adds a lot of value, because of that. There are bodies that are not SPCB bodies that are very much viewed as independent, and they fulfil their functions very effectively as a consequence; there are other bodies, including the commissioners that we are talking about, that are SPCB supported.

The structure has grown up over time. It is not as if people sat down and designed it from the get-go, deciding, “This is the way it will work,” or, “These bodies will all be Parliament bodies, and those bodies will not be.”