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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Ivan McKee

Yes, absolutely. Last year, we did it on historical data, and we are now doing it on budgeted data. We are getting ahead of the curve and we will establish an efficient process. We do not want collection of another big load of data to be put on public bodies. We will update that.

The 2022-23 data is available, and the savings that we have delivered on estates and procurement and other aspects of the hard savings are already there.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Ivan McKee

You would need to have an evidential base for doing something differently. I suppose that we are working in three dimensions. We are first looking at—as the convener said—how much money an increase would raise. I am looking at the data that is in front of me. Officials will correct me if I am wrong, but there seems to be about 110,000 tonnes at the lower rate, so a £1 increase would bring in an extra £100,000. That would be welcome, but it would not shift the dial on the budget.

If you start to increase that rate by too much and the differential grows, is there the potential for waste tourism? That is the last thing we want, because it makes everything more difficult.

Then there is the question how the current rates are driving behavioural change. With the numbers coming down year on year, it looks as though the tax is having the intended policy impact of driving such behavioural change. However, I would be happy to look at the evidence and to do some modelling as best we can with the information that we have to see what making some changes in future years might deliver.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Ivan McKee

Sorry, convener—I just want to correct the record, I have just noticed in my notes that there were about 600,000 tonnes at the lower rate, and 110,000 tonnes of that was soil. There was other material in that figure as well, so it is more significant, although not in the big scheme of things.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Ivan McKee

Indeed, we shall.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Ivan McKee

That is a matter for the First Minister, and I do not want to say any more on that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Ivan McKee

I would not want to make any such suggestions. I am sure that the committee will make up its own mind on what matters it wants to put forward. I would say that it is genuinely a privilege to serve as a minister in the Scottish Government, regardless of any issues around salary sacrifice.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Ivan McKee

The number of bodies is one thing, but if that was the only objective—we talked earlier about objectives—we could miss the point there. We consolidate public bodies where it makes sense to do so. We have started work to look at the number of public bodies in each portfolio and whether there is scope for them to work more closely together in clusters. We are already organically creating those clusters, and some are further along that road than others in sharing resources.

Where there is a clear case that consolidation of public bodies makes sense because it will deliver a cost-effective solution and better services, that is very much on the cards.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Ivan McKee

Absolutely, but we need to be careful about what we mean by zero-based budgeting.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

I will ask officials to come in on the specifics of those lines in a minute, but, in general, with the social security budget lines for all the benefits, roughly half are higher than expected and half are lower than expected, so the numbers roughly balance out. From memory, the figure that we are talking about in total is just over £100 million out of a £6 billion budget, which is a 2 per cent variation.

You have to remember that we use forecasts of what we think the uptake will be of the demand-led benefits. Clearly, there will be variation in that as we move through, and work will be done to refine the forecasts. Obviously, many of the benefits are relatively new, so working through the data and getting more accurate forecasts as we go are important parts of that process. However, as I said, the figure is within 2 per cent of the overall budget, and you would expect some of those budget lines to go up and some to go down.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

Yes. If you look back, it is an issue to do with the running costs of the SQA. I think that it would be true to say that it has happened in previous years as well. There is some work to be done to understand the cost profile and how much we are budgeting for that.