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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 September 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Ben Macpherson

That should be done in the early stages, when they feel vulnerable. Again, overcrowding is a key factor.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Ben Macpherson

Do you feel that all of that could be more robust than it is right now?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Ben Macpherson

I appreciate that it is not simple.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Ben Macpherson

I have a question that was provoked by something that Dr Victoria Marland said earlier, but it also relates to things that other witnesses have said. You talked about the success of the photocopying initiative and you said that, because of its impact, there is now a trend of synthetic substances coming into prisons in powder form. Whether it would be appropriate to answer now or to follow up privately, it would be good to have an understanding of how that is happening. Is it through drone deliveries or other ways? How are substances in powder form entering the prison estate? If you would prefer to follow up by email, we will totally understand.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Ben Macpherson

I appreciate that that makes the situation even more challenging because of the impact of just a small amount of synthetic substance. Thanks for relaying that.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you for your time and for the evidence that you have given, as well as for speaking so powerfully in the media yesterday and this morning at our committee. For a number of reasons, and because of a number of factors—including Covid, the success of Police Scotland and its investigations, and what has happened through the court process—it is clear that we collectively face an unprecedented set of circumstances in our prisons.

At the end of this process, we will write a report with recommendations. I would like to ask about a few specific areas where you think actions could make a difference and what those actions might be. I will ask a generic question first. What would make the difference for you and your members in dealing with these unprecedented circumstances in a way that is less pressurised and less challenging and that allows the rehabilitation that we all want to see more of? Is it more estate or more staff? Neither of those things is easy to deliver quickly. What do solutions look like for you?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you for putting that so succinctly.

Briefly, on solutions in that same space, are there things that we could do or things that we could change that would help to make a difference? I absolutely appreciate that the vast majority of prison staff are, to use your word, incorruptible, but, to build on what my colleagues have already asked, could more be done to address the very small minority who are vulnerable to corruption?

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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Ben Macpherson

So, the process is not robust enough right now.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Ben Macpherson

Good morning, panel members. Thanks for your evidence so far. I want to go back to areas of questioning that were put earlier. Haydn Pasi has talked compellingly about the need to have good use of time in the prison estate, and there has been a lot of discussion across the panel about how people are supported in the community when they are released from custody.

Another element that feels worth emphasising, and I would be interested in your reflections on it, is that, although people’s time needs to be filled and used effectively towards recovery and wellbeing in custody and on release, there are actors in the community and in the estate who are looking to fill that time differently for their own interests—I am talking about organised crime, in particular—to get people addicted or into debt, or to keep them on that pathway if they already are in that situation. However, we have not heard any reflections on that challenge today, and I wonder whether you want to add anything on that point.