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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 May 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I am sorry to interrupt you when you are in full flow, but it is important to note that there are a number of Government-funded commissioners in organisations. Part of the challenge that we face is that there are the SPCB supported commissioners and there are commissioners such as the Police Investigations and Review Commissioner, which is funded by the Scottish Government but is seen as being independent. Although we have been tasked with considering only the SPCB-funded bodies, we are conscious of the wider picture. I feel that it is important to emphasise that, for context.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

You have given us lots to consider and to probe further. I hand over to Murdo Fraser.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I thank you all. That will be helpful when it comes to our further questions.

I have another generic question. Obviously, the realisation of human rights, sustainability and the wellbeing of people in different groups in our current society and future generations falls to the responsibility of ministers. As MSPs—parliamentarians—we consider those issues as part of our casework, our daily deliberations and how we hold the Government to account. Other public bodies, whether they are funded by the Scottish Government or the SPCB, are focused on human rights, value for money and delivery. Could you elaborate further on why you think that your proposals are necessary, given what is already in place?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the sixth meeting in 2025 of the SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee. I have received no apologies.

Today, the committee will take evidence from the Auditor General for Scotland, and then from MSPs who have proposals for bills that would create new Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body supported bodies. I am pleased to welcome Stephen Boyle, the Auditor General for Scotland.

Auditor General, in the past few weeks, an emerging theme of the committee’s work has been the number of public bodies. We know what the role of each body is, and we know how people can get an understanding of that. In an evidence session that we had with the Scottish Information Commissioner a few weeks ago, he referred to the number of public bodies and to the discussions that he had had with you about that. Do you want to touch on that first, and feed back anything that you wish to say to us and to the Parliament in that regard?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Auditor General, you have provided us with a lot of information, insights, context and clarifications this morning that will be really helpful to our task in this review. Is there anything else that you want to say that you have not been able to express in answer to the questions that we have posed?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I am grateful to you for reflecting on the evidence that we have heard and giving your view on it.

I move to questions from our colleague, Murdo Fraser.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Welcome back. I am pleased to welcome to the meeting our colleagues Jeremy Balfour, Colin Smyth and Sarah Boyack, and Roz Thomson, who is head of the Scottish Parliament’s non-Government bills unit. Thank you for being with us.

Before I invite other members to ask questions, I will put some generic ones to you all. What do you consider to be the benefit of an SPCB supported commissioner? In your proposals, why have you opted for such a model over other options, such as a Government-supported body, which could also demonstrate independence from Government?

I saw Jeremy Balfour nodding, so I will go to him first.

10:30  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Commissioners sometimes appear in front of their subject committees if a particular piece of work is being done, but it is helpful for us to reflect on your custom and practice of regularly being in this institution, in relation to the common good or public good, as you referred to. Thank you for elaborating on that matter.

10:15  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Your points about scrutinising and monitoring implementation are extremely important. As things stand, there is a question for us about our examination of that more widely and across the bodies. Thank you for elaborating further on that.

I am sorry that I interrupted you, Lorna.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Those were good and important points to finish on.

Colleagues—thank you very much for your time this morning, for helping us to understand the merits of your proposals and for your comments on and insights into the wider questions that we are considering in the review. I am really grateful for your coming and answering our questions.

That concludes the public part of our meeting. As was previously agreed, we will move into private session.

11:30 Meeting continued in private until 11:40.